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post #1 of 39
2/24/10 at 12:42am
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i'm just now getting started on this show (well, season 2) and i'm pretty into it so far. the problem i'm having is that outside of cocksucker and motherfucker, most of the time i can't really understand what the hell they're saying. it's like someone crossbred jay and silent bob strike back with shakespeare.

swearengin is brilliant. why doesn't bullock turn his head? is he the goddamn batman.


anyways, this cunt of a show is fucking great, prey tell i state my business amicably, cocksucker.
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post #2 of 39
2/24/10 at 2:24am
I loved it. Just saw seasons 1 and 2 over the holidays. Watched it with the captions turned on. The writer/producer is an absolute genius. If you like the actor who plays Swearengin, you'll love his role in the great movie "Sexy Beast" from 2000.
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post #3 of 39
2/24/10 at 3:03am
It's good, but can be boring at times.
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post #4 of 39
2/24/10 at 11:00am
This site Counts how many fucks in Deadwood
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post #5 of 39
2/24/10 at 12:04pm
One of the greatest shows ever. The setting didn't call for eloquence as they're all some form of brutes, why I think the Tourette's-like dialog is rather fitting.
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post #6 of 39
2/24/10 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by grundletaint View Post
i'm just now getting started on this show (well, season 2) and i'm pretty into it so far. the problem i'm having is that outside of cocksucker and motherfucker, most of the time i can't really understand what the hell they're saying. it's like someone crossbred jay and silent bob strike back with shakespeare.

swearengin is brilliant. why doesn't bullock turn his head? is he the goddamn batman.


anyways, this cunt of a show is fucking great, prey tell i state my business amicably, cocksucker.

Loved the show. Too bad it was discontinued - anyone have any idea on the backstory on that?
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post #7 of 39
2/24/10 at 4:55pm
I loved Deadwood so much I canceled HBO when they canceled the show. Anyone with an interest in economics and/or law should watch.

I've never heard such a good real world example of say, the concept of price elasticity of demand as I had hearing Al Swearengen explain to Dan how McCall's presence at the GEM Saloon after shooting Hickcock was bad for business, because his sort agitates people, and true, when people are agitated, the sales of booze picks up, but the sale of cunt plummets.

Al then walks over to McCall if I remember correctly, threatens to cut his throat, and tells him There's a horse out there for you...run for your fucking life.

Season 2 was my favorite. Francis Walcott is probably my favorite villain in all of television and film. He was just too real. Which is funny, because his character is one of the only ones who didn't actually exist in real life.
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post #8 of 39
2/24/10 at 5:34pm
Loved the first two seasons, but I recall the last becoming nearly incomprehensible as the season wore on - they had so many storylines (statehood, Hearst, the rival gambling den, etc.) running and wound up having to choke them all off when the series was cancelled.
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post #9 of 39
2/24/10 at 5:40pm
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post #10 of 39
2/24/10 at 5:42pm
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post #11 of 39
2/24/10 at 5:50pm
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Loved the first two seasons, but I recall the last becoming nearly incomprehensible as the season wore on - they had so many storylines (statehood, Hearst, the rival gambling den, etc.) running and wound up having to choke them all off when the series was cancelled.

Well the show was originally supposed to be at least 6 seasons. Seemed the writers of Rome learned their lesson from Carnivale and Deadwood though. One they got wind of cancellation, they tied up all loose ends by the end of the second season. Funny thing is...I thought season 2 of Rome rocked. Had it drug on, likely would have bored the hell out of me.
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post #12 of 39
2/24/10 at 8:37pm
The good thing about HBO is the how the subscription fee helps to create a slightly more sophisticated viewer demographic than network TV, allowing shows like Deadwood to exist. I get sick of hearing from arrogant Europeans and self-loathing Americans I know about how stupid the US is, often siting our TV shows as an example. Yet most of the best TV shows are made by US companies for the domestic marketplace. You just need to look in the right places. The downside of HBO's model is that it encourages constant show churn-- i.e. the cancellation of shows and subsequent replacement with a new ones. They believe it is in their best interest to continually create a constant buzz about hot new shows in order to attract new paying subscribers. Thus, only shows that can continually garner media attention outside of HBO's little world (such as the Sopranos) are allowed to exist for multiple seasons. The problem with Deadwood was it didn't create an on going buzz in the media AND it cost a lot to make per episode. Rome had the exact same problems.
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post #13 of 39
2/24/10 at 8:45pm
Also, the act of canceling a show helps create media buzz for HBO too. Every time this happens there's a sudden outpouring of articles about how you should start watching this great HBO show before it's no more!
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post #14 of 39
2/24/10 at 9:26pm
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tonight show with conan was on hbo?
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post #15 of 39
2/25/10 at 3:42am
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The downside of HBO's model is that it encourages constant show churn-- i.e. the cancellation of shows and subsequent replacement with a new ones. They believe it is in their best interest to continually create a constant buzz about hot new shows in order to attract new paying subscribers. Thus, only shows that can continually garner media attention outside of HBO's little world (such as the Sopranos) are allowed to exist for multiple seasons.

HBO's show churn is fairly slight compared to the Big Three. Lucky Louie got canned, but opinion on its quality is divided. Extras was designed to only run for a couple of series, IIRC. John From Cincinatti sucked. Rome was too expensive to justify ($100mn-plus per season).

shows HBO has run for multiple seasons:
five seasons of Bal'mer drug dealers
three seasons of revisionist western with dialogue and intrigue incomprehensible for the average American
three-plus seasons about polygamist Mormons
six or seven seasons of soap operatic prison rape (it's kind of weird to watch Law and Order and realize I've seen half the casts' cocks)
six seasons of a network-dumb sitcom about an actor and his pals that generates fairly little buzz as time wears on
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