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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by whacked View Post
Ideal proportion for male models is ~ 40" chest and 30-32" waist, and only getting smaller. Hardly "big" by most standards.

I'm 5'7", 145 lbs, 32" waist and 36-37" chest. Do I qualify?
post #32 of 53
^you qualify for being built like a tube.
post #33 of 53
A tube? Can you clarify? Can't tell if you are insulting me?
post #34 of 53
It is nearly impossible to naturally add significant muscle mass without adding fat. That is why you got to bulk/cut until you reach your goal. Forget about Crossfit. It is not meant for what you want to do.
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post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by NoStyle14 View Post
A tube? Can you clarify? Can't tell if you are insulting me?

I think he means your chest is not much bigger than your waist => ||
post #36 of 53
Haha. Dang. That's true. I really don't have that wide of a frame and was just joking about qualifying for modeling. But I'm def not a tube. I'm the classic definition of an ectomorph so my torso does have some sort of V-shape to it.
post #37 of 53
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Originally Posted by Zenny View Post
Train to be a massive bodybuilder, stop halfway.

Ha this is great advice. I've trained with this mentality for over a decade and without stopping halfway have only managed to achieve an aesthetic fitness model type of physique.

Train hard, eat lots, eat healthy and get plenty of rest.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post
It is nearly impossible to naturally add significant muscle mass without adding fat. That is why you got to bulk/cut until you reach your goal.

Forget about Crossfit. It is not meant for what you want to do.


not true at all

it all depends if you are staring from a low base and how clean your diet is
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post #39 of 53
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not true at all

it all depends if you are staring from a low base and how clean your diet is

You can not add significant muscle without adding fat, and you can not lose fat without losing muscle. All you can do is try to optimize the ratio for your goals. If you don't get that you don't understand basic human physiology.
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post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post
You can not add significant muscle without adding fat, and you can not lose fat without losing muscle. All you can do is try to optimize the ratio for your goals. If you don't get that you don't understand basic human physiology.

dont comment if you dont know what you are talking about

i know and have helped many ppl with workout/nutrition programs and as i stated in my previous post, if you start off from a low base, meaning you havent trained before, you can gain quite a bit lean muscle...this is especially true for ectomorph/mesomorph types

if you are an on an intermediate level, well then its quite a bit harder

in the past i have actually gained lean muscle during my leaning down phase
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by cross22 View Post
You can not add significant muscle without adding fat, and you can not lose fat without losing muscle. All you can do is try to optimize the ratio for your goals. If you don't get that you don't understand basic human physiology.

What?
post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by otter View Post
dont comment if you dont know what you are talking about

i know and have helped many ppl with workout/nutrition programs and as i stated in my previous post, if you start off from a low base, meaning you havent trained before, you can gain quite a bit lean muscle...this is especially true for ectomorph/mesomorph types

if you are an on an intermediate level, well then its quite a bit harder

in the past i have actually gained lean muscle during my leaning down phase

+1 on all points
post #44 of 53
Broscience at its best.
post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by Kookz View Post
What?
Your metabolism is either in a catabolic or an anabolic state, you can't selectively break down one kind of molecule while synthesizing another one at the same time. In anabolic state, you will add both muscle and fat, in catabolic state, you will lose both. Diet and exercise can optimize the ratios of these, ie gain more muscle than fat during anabolic, lose more fat than muscle during catabolic.
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