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post #1 of 80
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I see a lot of people here cooking and getting into making things a little more special as far as their food goes. I am delighted to see so many people cooking out of Bouchon and Ad Hoc. But, seeing as this is style forum, I'd like to make a suggestion. Simple, white china. For so many people with fantastic taste in clothing and other things, I see a lot of fairly tacky looking (and sometimes expensive) plates and bowls. You will instantly elevate the appearance of your food by putting it on a beautifully clean canvass. Nothing too thick, choose high quality porcelain (can you see your hand through it in light is apparently a good trick). You don't have to go for square or rectangular shapes. Gordon Ramsay on F-Word always uses what looks like Wedgewood made Jasper Conran white plates with a simple rim, since that show is geared towards home cooking. I own the same plates for my day to day use. There's a lot more options out there. The people with the most tasteful dining rooms I've seen, even if they're using stuff that's old, is almost always plain white. It never goes out of style and it will always serve it's purpose. At Tru and some other places you'll see them use ornate designs (Versace bowls and cups for soups and sauces in Tru's case) which is cool, but in general they stick to white as does pretty much every other restaurant out there and those kinds of pieces are meant to punctuate an elegantly simple backdrop.
post #2 of 80
I wholeheartedly agree. Nothing comes close to the simplicity of white china for home use... I'm very fond of Buffalo China
post #3 of 80
Toi see the way my plating has evolved over the last 2 years has been seriously incredible.
post #4 of 80
+1 on white plates.

SField and Kyle, you guys got any more pointers / basics on plating?

K
post #5 of 80
I really, really like simple white servingware, but I am generally much more interested in less stark plateware. I get the whole simple canvas concept, but I prefer a lusher and more decadent table. My everyday stuff is cheap Bombay company blue and white china, and I also have a lot of love for Imari-style things, or the square, chunky Japanese stoneware you can get pretty easily these days. Then again, I don't really like most modern furniture, so it's partially a stylistic preference as well. You can go too far overfetishizing the food, at the expense of the ambience, atmosphere, and company, which IMO is the real reason for the food in the first place. I think there's a lot of that around here... and in more areas than just food. Then again, my preference is towards a more rustic and family-style meal without individual plating done in the kitchen, so in a way I'm really not disagreeing with you at all, since what I actually present the food in (the servingware) I also like simple and white. I find a lot of it, very cheap, at Home Goods.
post #6 of 80
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Originally Posted by Douglas View Post
I really, really like simple white servingware, but I am generally much more interested in less stark plateware. I get the whole simple canvas concept, but I prefer a lusher and more decadent table. My everyday stuff is cheap Bombay company blue and white china, and I also have a lot of love for Imari-style things, or the square, chunky Japanese stoneware you can get pretty easily these days. Then again, I don't really like most modern furniture, so it's partially a stylistic preference as well. You can go too far overfetishizing the food, at the expense of the ambience, atmosphere, and company, which IMO is the real reason for the food in the first place. I think there's a lot of that around here... and in more areas than just food. Then again, my preference is towards a more rustic and family-style meal without individual plating done in the kitchen, so in a way I'm really not disagreeing with you at all, since what I actually present the food in (the servingware) I also like simple and white. I find a lot of it, very cheap, at Home Goods.
To me there is nothing more luxurious than really fine porcelain china in brilliant white. All the hand painting and decorations make me feel like I'm at grandma's house. The greatest elegance is in restraint, and I like for the ambiance to be set by the space. Plates, I believe, should be in service to the food. As far as it being fetishized, yes I totally think it is. That's the fucking point. You have to eat, and you might as well do it in a way that is most pleasing. In fact if more people fetisizhed food in this country, there would not be nearly as many fat people.
post #7 of 80
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Originally Posted by VKK3450 View Post
+1 on white plates.

SField and Kyle, you guys got any more pointers / basics on plating?

K

Yes. Avoid symmetry, less is more. Serve things together that have complementary flavors. Generally the protein should be well framed, and anything with a particularly special preparation should stand by itself as well. There's usually one subordinate element on every plate and two principals.
post #8 of 80
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To me there is nothing more luxurious than really fine porcelain china in brilliant white. All the hand painting and decorations make me feel like I'm at grandma's house. The greatest elegance is in restraint, and I like for the ambiance to be set by the space. Plates, I believe, should be in service to the food. As far as it being fetishized, yes I totally think it is. That's the fucking point. You have to eat, and you might as well do it in a way that is most pleasing. In fact if more people fetisizhed food in this country, there would not be nearly as many fat people.
This ignores the entire social aspect of dining. The American culinary renaissance is technically impressive, but culturally sterile. You've sacrificed the meal for the food, in which case it's far from the most pleasant way of enjoying your dinner.
post #9 of 80
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This ignores the entire social aspect of dining. The American culinary renaissance is technically impressive, but culturally sterile. You've sacrificed the meal for the food, in which case it's far from the most pleasant way of enjoying your dinner.
White plates ignore the social aspect of dining? You realize that this idea is french, right? And I'm sorry, but I don't find myself being any less social in a great American restaurant than in a french one. A great meal is about the people you're with and the quality of the food. And often it doesn't even have anything to do with the food. Restaurants can do very little to influence the quality of your company. What they can do is make the experience before you walk in the door the best they can, and the rest is up to you and your own sociability.
post #10 of 80
I very rarely do any fancy plating but nice plain white china just makes whatever you eat more attractive. I'd always preferred more rustic earthenware for everyday use but, at my wife's insistence, we just bought this plain white bone china and it does make eating even the most ordinary meal somehow more refined. Good quality china just has a nicer feel to it that makes eating more pleasurable. Sure, you can buy cheaper ceramic for $50/box but when you consider that you'll be eating every day on them for 20+ yrs, it's worth spending more $.

post #11 of 80
Nice plates, EL. I like them. Much nicer than the chunkier ones someone posted up above... I was not a fran. Nice tagine, too.
post #12 of 80
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Originally Posted by SField View Post
White plates ignore the social aspect of dining? You realize that this idea is french, right?
Fetishizing the food at the expense of the comforting atmosphere that Douglas described is ignoring the social. The second the food takes precedence over those at the table, it ceases to become a meal and becomes a ceremony.

I admit that I don't know much about the history of cuisine, and plating may very well be a French idea, but even in Paris it's restricted to restaurants (and not the majority of them, I might add). You'd be laughed at if you suggested doing it at home, especially during the traditional Sunday meal of gigot d'agneau. For what it's worth, a very close acquaintance of mine is learning to cook at l'École Lenôtre and hasn't mentioned any special emphasis on plating.
post #13 of 80
Heh, we have (iirc) two sets of bone china that we've inherited from various family members, and then another set of some hand-panted over-sized grape monstrosities that Mrs. T bought. And then we had a green everyday set, and a red everyday set.

Once the greens and reds started breaking and co-mingling, I threw them out and went with plain white Ikea, and we don't use any of the others except for Thanksgiving. There's something...clean and simple about white plates.

As for plating: Mrs. T has a weird thing that her foods are separated - no foods touch each other. This makes stews a bit tricky, but after 6 years of my cooking I think she's starting to relax that requirement.
post #14 of 80
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Originally Posted by SField View Post
White plates ignore the social aspect of dining? You realize that this idea is french, right? And I'm sorry, but I don't find myself being any less social in a great American restaurant than in a french one. A great meal is about the people you're with and the quality of the food. And often it doesn't even have anything to do with the food. Restaurants can do very little to influence the quality of your company. What they can do is make the experience before you walk in the door the best they can, and the rest is up to you and your own sociability.
You added a lot of this after I typed my response. I think we're talking at past one another. I'm not thinking specifically of restaurants here, since the thread was ostensibly about the tableware you use when dining at home.
post #15 of 80
I can't help but feel that this thread was started to highlight my culinary inadequacies.

Advanced Culinary Techniques starts this Saturday, so maybe I will get better.
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