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"free-weight" equivalent to Hammer Strength

post #1 of 8
2/12/10 at 10:23pm
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does anyone know an equivalent translation of poundages? for instance, 4 plates per side of a hammer strength chest press equals what given the mechanical advantages of the hammer strength machine.

or plate-loaded squat machines vs. barbell squatting?
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post #2 of 8
2/12/10 at 10:31pm
I don't think it's a single equivalent throughout the range of motion, because the angle at which you are exerting force keeps changing. This is more pronounced if you are taller/longer so your range of motion on the machine is greater. Like for instance with the hammer strength chest press when you have your arms extended (if you have average or longer arms), the angle is more like an incline press, which is harder than a straight bench press.
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post #3 of 8
2/12/10 at 10:31pm
Kunk,

I've actually discussed this with a couple of the HammerStrength company guys, in short, there's not a good answer as the 1) depends on the model, 2) depends on the chair height (if used) the size of the user relative to where the bar hits, slightly varying load angle etc.

The easiest thing is to figure it yourself. If you flat bench 325 1-rep max, free, for example, find your 1-rep on a Hammer equivalent and just use the ratio.
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post #4 of 8
2/12/10 at 10:33pm
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2) depends on the chair height (if used) the size of the user relative to where the bar hits, slightly varying load angle etc.
Oh yeah, forgot the chair height can be adjusted, so that changes your angle, etc.
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post #5 of 8
2/12/10 at 10:37pm
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well, it's not that simple for some reason. i bench 405 (lost some strength due to bw/fat/size loss) but 560 on an HS machine. seated shoulder press is 335 but i press almost the same on an HS military press machine. i free weight squat 465 but can do 8 plates and a quarter on each side on the hs squat. seems pretty inconsistent.


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Originally Posted by Cary Grant View Post
Kunk,

I've actually discussed this with a couple of the HammerStrength company guys, in short, there's not a good answer as the 1) depends on the model, 2) depends on the chair height (if used) the size of the user relative to where the bar hits, slightly varying load angle etc.

The easiest thing is to figure it yourself. If you flat bench 325 1-rep max, free, for example, find your 1-rep on a Hammer equivalent and just use the ratio.
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post #6 of 8
2/12/10 at 10:55pm
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well, it's not that simple for some reason. i bench 405 (lost some strength due to bw/fat/size loss) but 560 on an HS machine. seated shoulder press is 335 but i press almost the same on an HS military press machine. i free weight squat 465 but can do 8 plates and a quarter on each side on the hs squat. seems pretty inconsistent.

Right- The mechanics of each are different so the ratios won't be consistent from say, the plate-loaded ISO incline press to the flat press equivalent.

What makes the biggest difference HS to HS for me if grip positioning. For example, on the ISO Flat HS, I am relegated to using more of a powerlifting grip/width and as a result it brings more tri in than does flat bench barbell or DB.
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post #7 of 8
2/12/10 at 10:58pm
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must be the retardo way i am constructed but i lift way more on the hs incline than on the hs flat press
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post #8 of 8
2/12/10 at 11:10pm
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
must be the retardo way i am constructed but i lift way more on the hs incline than on the hs flat press
I've known some guys like this and, like yourself, they all tend to be very strong. I could always bench about 30lbs more on flat. God I miss free weights. My pathetic condo gym doesn't have them. Luckily I'll be moving and will have better gym access soon.
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