The OCBD collar roll thread - Page 3

Be careful, that stuff killed Michael Jackson.

Getting your Sammy Sosa on.

I recently got a couple made without interfacing [in the band or the points], and I like them a lot. I think they may have used some tape somewhere (it made crackly noises before being washed), but the collars are pretty darn soft.

No pictures yet unfortunately.

Do hidden button shirts considered BD?

I think those are called UABD's.

i've got an RLPL OCBD that rolls very nicely. i tend to wear it more in the summer though because it's lanvender. the material is a bit on the soft side. when i think OCBD i think of a sustantial material. i'm on the quest for the perfect OCBD and i haven't found anything close yet. i think i could wear a blue one practically every day if i could just find a slim fitting, well made shirt i could afford. who makes a decent MTM OCBD? i've tried J. Crew (wrong fabric, not slim enough), RRL (right faberic, wrong fit), fred perry (poor material, too slim, stupid logo), RLPL (nice but too-thin material, great fit, great collar, too expensive), RL Rugby (actually pretty darn close but the only one i could find was a white w/ tan stripe w. a club collar). any suggestions for what to try next?

Aren't BBBF woven shirts made by Gitman/Ashland in PA? I think the old gitmanco.com site revealed a Thom Browne or Black Fleece connection. It now links to gitman.com

Ain't BBBF tailored clothing made by Oxxford? Or just Thom Browne? www.individualizedapparel.com

jus' askin'

Mercers and CEGOs have an interlining in the collarband, but not in the collar itself. Carl, correct me if I am wrong. I think it's just the two layers of fabric. They are thick enough that they don't need an interlining. If there is one, it's a lot thinner than the band interlining.

I have noticed the points on Asia button downs seem to have more spread. I got into this with Modern Tailor. Their house button down collar seems way too spread out for me. Here we have a Fray on the left and a Modern Tailor on the right. Is it my imagination or are the point spreads much different? Another example of the wide "spread" between the points on Asian made shirts. Also, is it more fashionable by today's standard to have button down points much wider than in the past? Any ideas on this subject?

I don't know for sure about the shirts. They're guys who have picked up Black Fleece OCBD seconds from that factory outlet in the Carolina factory, which AFAIK operates like a true factory outlet of old. That's not definitive, so I welcome better information about their origin.

I haven't seen any of the stuff that Oxxford is supposedly making for BB. Do you think this relationship is a move by del Vecchio to sniff out relieving Hayes of IAG?


- B

I've asked before but never received a reply.

What is special about BBBF OCBDs other than the price and the ridiculous sizing system? Is the fabric different? Is it slimmer fit than slim fit? Are the buttons MOP? Is the roll any different? Any handwork? Something else?

Fabric is superior to mainline BB. Fit is slimmer than BB slim fit. Collar points are slightly smaller. Can't recall the buttons. The shirt was a success, I expect, for several reasons. One is BB finally offering the slim fit contempo/retro oxford shirt that every other downmarket competitor (J. Crew, Polo Rugby) was offering. The other is that most BBBF items (tailored clothing, knitwear, shoes) was wildly expensive, which left the shirt and tie lines as relatively affordable at $150 a pop. Note I said relatively. Of course smart shoppers on this forum can get anything from slim-fit oxfords to Nigerian yellowcake for pennies on the dollar.

BBBF are also sized like girl clothes, i.e., 1, 2, 3, etc. Each size corresponds to one -- and one only -- neck size, body cut and sleeve length.