Dude, all I was doing was responding to your points.
Originally Posted by horriblyjollyjinx
When I am buying a product I am not paying for only the material and the labor, I am also paying for the costs of the manufacturers whole organisation. All parts of the organisation, like administration, are as important as the producing part.
There are many things that aren't directly related to the product that the manufacturer needs to pay for in order to have something produced.
I am also paying for the middleman, the store, to take the product to me.
I am not being ripped off if I buy $50 worth of material for $250 as there are immaterial things that cost money too.
You brought this up, which is why I mentioned that these costs are higher for highly marketed, managed brands than for smaller, niche brands. And as for this validating your point, it really doesn't. A lot of these smaller brands know that they are marketing to a niche market, a market that is willing to pay higher prices, so the prices are even more jacked up. And this is peripheral, but the $50/piece I quoted is for something like the highest end R for 45RPM jeans. Most of the repro jeans we talk about here cost probably less than $35, or even $30, a piece, to manufacture.
Since this discussion is about which brands actually makes a, physically, quality product you can't argue that brands with 'good' design but lesser quality are also quality, as 'quality' has already been defined for this discussion.
Quality actually has not been defined for this discussion, which is why we are discussing it now. You are saying that "quality" can be measured by denim quality and construction techniques. I am saying that these are not the only factors at play. For example, you did not mention the work of wash houses. If you want to make a good one rinse jean or raw jean, the cost (note, not the price) of the wash is negligible. If you want a good, processed jean (say that of Gilded Age, for example), you (the manufacturer) are going to have to pay a considerable amount. I would say that this factors into any measure of "quality" as well. Because your (and actually, my) preference might be for raw or one rinse jeans doesn't preclud this from being a significant factor. Repros are also reasonably easy to design. You take a vintage pair, and tada, you're most of the way there. Seven and Paige Premium jeans became and remain popular for a reason. They are flattering to the majority of women. It takes a fair bit of work to get these fits right. I would say that a good fit is pretty important when it comes to deciding "quality".
You are right in that price != quality, but neither does denim quality and good construction alone comprise the total measure of quality, unless you start with the narrow view that only one rinse or raw repros are worth anything.
If you really want to get the best bang for your buck, go to the local rodeo store, and get the jeans actual cowboys use for something like $25. The mark up is significantly less, and you know that the jeans are built to last.