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post #16 of 31
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Originally Posted by alebrady
any ideas what stores may carry those brands you listed - particularly in the SF bay area?
thanks

Neiman Marcus SF has Paul Smith - not sure about the other brands.
post #17 of 31
most Neimans and/or Saks has Etro as well
post #18 of 31

................now some 7 years later and I can say following:

New collection Made in Britain(full items) starts in October this year 2013.-looks good and my favourite raglan sleeve raincoat under £200 have not got it due to sizing issue as 44 to narrow and 46 to long.

 

Suit trousers are still low rise, but some nice suits fabric are now 130'S.High end suits rather high in the price for RTW, as competitors offer better service and non fused, cloth choice, lining and etc in same price range.

Main problem is lining that is silly as on budget suits it 100% Polyester or mixed with Acc and higher end suits lining is mix with Viscose but serious.......problem is.......... Linen suit(some mixed cloth) with non breathable linings................. what is point if Linen suit than.

They have great IDEAS but execution is just of the wall and some things contradict itself .

......................................still great underwear despite amount of modal has overtook amount of cotton.

post #19 of 31
Their sartorial range/ Savile Row inspired, are half canvassed £349 and above.

Other ranges are fused.

They buy cloth from Marzotto group (e.g. Guabello), Vitale Barberis Canonico, Reda, Ermenegildo Zegna and others from Italy, as well Alfred Brown, Moon and others from UK.

True about the linen jacked fully lined with non breathable fabric..
post #20 of 31
I have seen this stuff at their Marble Arch flagship, and was impressed:
http://www.marksandspencer.com/Mens-Best-of-British-Mens/b/3341016031
post #21 of 31
Marks & Sparks - Best of British*




*Imported
post #22 of 31
Curious to hear some feedback from people since I will visiting London in December. Some of the stuff is nice but is the pricpoint to high?
post #23 of 31
M&S is not really something you want to be bringing home from the UK. To Brits it is considered anywhere from very basic to just mediocre. Unless they have a design that you like and cannot find elsewhere I wouldn't bother. Most of what you see will be the low-end stuff and generally speaking I have found the higher end stuff to be over-priced or simply better elsewhere.

If you want cheap stuff to take back then consider:

Charles Tyrwhytt & T M Lewin for shirts. Maybe consider a few CT sportscoats made from the Harris or Donegal tweeds.

Shoes: If you can get to Northampton then maybe head to one or two of the big name factory shops like C&J, Cheaney (much better now the Church bros are back in charge) or Lobb

Where you will be will play a role; there is plenty of shopping in London but it is expensive. In some of the smaller cities shopping is very limited but the pricing tends to be better.
post #24 of 31
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

Marks & Sparks - Best of British*
*Imported
Not sure you have actually looked at the range. Best of British is made in Britain, whenever possible from British Fabrics. Shirts are made by Rayner & Sturges (who makes for more expensive Firms) and shoes are by Cheaney for example, as well as other smaller firms. It is a great initiative to try to push production back into the UK
post #25 of 31

Best of British is an interesting - and brave - development. Suits are by Cheshire Bespoke, by the way, to add to the list of manufacturers mentioned above.

 

They're charging a substantial amount for the suits (not an unfair amount, but more than I'd expect the typical M&S customer to pay, while those happy to pay those prices probably don't want to own an M&S suit), but I suspect there's a fairly limited production run to test the waters so they should sell them all. M&S has significant buying power, so their orders alone could keep some firms going. For now I'm going to put this in the "good initiative, hope it doesn't fail, but secretly suspect it might" category. Their best hope is to try to keep it relatively niche and sold with some degree of exclusivity (e.g. nicer part of the shop, with experienced staff, only in a few larger shops, etc, etc.)

 

There's a Daily Mail article from earlier this year that highlights M&S' brand image problem when it comes to selling this sort of suit at this pricepoint: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2370901/LIZ-JONES-The-800-suit-shows-M-S-dont-know-man-wants.html

post #26 of 31
I hope I’m wrong but I have this sinking feeling that this is going to be one of those M&S projects that will disappear without a trace. I saw the collection in person and some of the pieces look and feel very good but at 800 pounds they very expensive. Some people will say that it’s worth paying a good price for something that was made in Britain but I think the company is targeting the sort of customer that would never be caught dead in M&S except maybe to buy some socks and a sandwich at lunch time.

To give you an example. I was in their main Oxford Street store a couple of weeks ago with my girlfriend and mentioned that it’s great idea what M&S are trying to achieve with this and that the collection looks very nice. She just looked at me and said that for that price you could get a MTM suit in Ede and Ravenscroft plus you get the service and the surroundings to come with it..I put my head down and I had to agree as middle aged men around me where trying on frumpy jumpers and badly cut suits there was not a store assistant in sight…

And to end this I can guarantee that men that can afford to buy a suit of that price will not be buying it in M&S …but rather Canali,Ede etc…
post #27 of 31
M&S by Chester Barrie; not bad. But are they full or half canvassed?

If full canvassed, then it puts them in the same league as Corneliani, Canali, Zileri, etc...

If you look at the website, alot of the sizes are sold out.
post #28 of 31
I was working with Chester Barrie when these licensing deals were put out there.

I didn't get my hands on every single product, but I can tell you that the ones that went through John Lewis, House of Fraser, TK Maxx were all TERRIBLE. The RTW stuff from the Savile Row stores (and a couple of concessions operated by the company) were largely hand made and full canvas. Almost anything found in XXXXX by Chester Barrie was of very poor quality.
post #29 of 31
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Originally Posted by Blackhood View Post

I was working with Chester Barrie when these licensing deals were put out there.

I didn't get my hands on every single product, but I can tell you that the ones that went through John Lewis, House of Fraser, TK Maxx were all TERRIBLE. The RTW stuff from the Savile Row stores (and a couple of concessions operated by the company) were largely hand made and full canvas. Almost anything found in XXXXX by Chester Barrie was of very poor quality.

In the product specs it states that the garments for M&S are hand made taking 20 hours each.... A fused garment in a factory setting will probably take an hour all in all biggrin.gif
post #30 of 31
Hmmm it is possible that they have licensed the Name differently (I've been out of the game about 2.5 years) but that seems ... optimistic.

On an interesting note I've known several SR firms produce their RTW collections in Mauritius where the machines are operated by hand. It could be realistic that the garments are produced that way for the price level.
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