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post #61 of 87
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Originally Posted by Pink22m
I guess Americans have dubious tastes when it comes to vehicles; look at the annoying ubiquity of the Cadillac Escalade. I would take an A4 Avant or 3 series wagon anyday over most any SUV.

Bigger is better, it's the American way.
post #62 of 87
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Bigger is better, it's the American way.

Indeed. Whether it be our cars, fast food meals, or bodies.
post #63 of 87
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Originally Posted by bigbadbuff
the Tahoe is still on the list b/c my wife wants it to be... and as I said I do like it as well. Not much for wagons, sorry.
aaaaaahhhhhh........ $1 says he gets the tahoe.
post #64 of 87
Perhaps you should go to a foreign nation and import a vehicle.
post #65 of 87
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Originally Posted by Pink22m
Indeed. Whether it be our cars, fast food meals, or bodies.

You don't like it America's fat assess?

Jon.
post #66 of 87
Thread Starter 
test drove a BMW 330 yesterday. We started out in normal D mode with the automatic, and I was extremely underwhelmed with its acceleration. When I told the salesman this at a stoplight, he flipped it over to Sport mode and told me to gas it. QUITE a difference- impressive. It felt good overall, handled well enough, comfortable... but I don't think I got to spend enough time in it. The salesman said I could take it overnight if I wanted, I will probably do that one day next week since my wife didn't accompany me.

Have to say the concentration on making it a 'driving' vehicle and leaving out simple, convenient things like coin holder, sunglasses holder, good cupholders, etc. is annoying.

If we decide to go with the 330, it looks like we will lease and possible do European delivery as well.
post #67 of 87
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Originally Posted by bigbadbuff
test drove a BMW 330 yesterday. We started out in normal D mode with the automatic, and I was extremely underwhelmed with its acceleration. When I told the salesman this at a stoplight, he flipped it over to Sport mode and told me to gas it. QUITE a difference- impressive. It felt good overall, handled well enough, comfortable... but I don't think I got to spend enough time in it. The salesman said I could take it overnight if I wanted, I will probably do that one day next week since my wife didn't accompany me.

Have to say the concentration on making it a 'driving' vehicle and leaving out simple, convenient things like coin holder, sunglasses holder, good cupholders, etc. is annoying.

If we decide to go with the 330, it looks like we will lease and possible do European delivery as well.

Yeah, Audi's work the same way, the D mode is quite normal, and the S mode makes you fly and moves the needle to end of the rev range. At the same time, remember that S mode will kill your gas mileage.

Jon.
post #68 of 87
I work for GM and can give you a discount (executive discount), which is the price I pay for the vehicle if I were to purchase one. My wife and I have a '04 Yukon, an '06 Caddy STS, and my company car right now is an '06 Yukon XL. My wife easily gets 18 mpg in her Yukon. I have not bothered to measure for my company car since they pay for gas and insurance (can't beat that!).

Just PM me if interested. I say get the '07 Yukon or Tahoe (I like Yukons better b/c GMC is a little classier)
post #69 of 87
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Originally Posted by dirk diggler
I work for GM and can give you a discount (executive discount), which is the price I pay for the vehicle if I were to purchase one. My wife and I have a '04 Yukon, an '06 Caddy STS, and my company car right now is an '06 Yukon XL. My wife easily gets 18 mpg in her Yukon. I have not bothered to measure for my company car since they pay for gas and insurance (can't beat that!).

Just PM me if interested. I say get the '07 Yukon or Tahoe (I like Yukons better b/c GMC is a little classier)

Too bad they are put together about as well Malaysian cars...although Proton does own Lotus...you know what strike what I said, instead: too bad they are put together worse than Malaysian cars.

Jon.
post #70 of 87
Thread Starter 
Dirk, I did PM you, and that is very kind of you to offer.

GM has improved quality control significantly from what I've read.
post #71 of 87
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Originally Posted by bigbadbuff
Dirk, I did PM you, and that is very kind of you to offer.

GM has improved quality control significantly from what I've read.

What the media does not report is that if Lexus were broken out separately from Toyota in quality studies, Toyota would be 5th or 6th in overall quality BEHIND Cadillac and Buick. The Japanese are good, but right now, the quality level in the overall market is so close that JD POwer had to revamp the rating systems since you might have 8 points (on a 1000 point scale) separating 1st from 6th !

Don't sleep on an american car or truck . . . . .
post #72 of 87
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Originally Posted by dirk diggler
What the media does not report is that if Lexus were broken out separately from Toyota in quality studies, Toyota would be 5th or 6th in overall quality BEHIND Cadillac and Buick. The Japanese are good, but right now, the quality level in the overall market is so close that JD POwer had to revamp the rating systems since you might have 8 points (on a 1000 point scale) separating 1st from 6th !

Don't sleep on an american car or truck . . . . .

I never believe anything JD Power reports. Half the time it doesn't make sense.

I have nothing against American cars as a general principle. However, when it comes down to individual desires and requirements, very rarely can I find one to recommend. They just always seem 2 or 3 steps behind in major categories such as styling (interior and exterior), performance (putting a big engine with super tall gearing to save on MPG does not make for a well performing vehicle), and value (resale on American cars is just embarassing).

Being a Detroit resident, I have this conversation quite often with many friends who work for various parts of the Auto Industry. I've also been on the inside occasionally, and sometimes it can be depressing. Honestly, I hope for the day that I can go to my local big 3 dealer and buy a car, but I just don't see that day coming anytime soon.
post #73 of 87
My vote is the 2007 Tahoe/Yukon. I'm on my third, 2001, 2004, 2007. The 07 is the best so far. Tighter steering and brakes than previous years, better ride, better interior. Think Audi interior. The wife has the 5 series BMW. It's great when you get dressed up and go out, but 90% of the time, I grab the Yukon. The engine seamlessly switches from 4 to 8 cylinders to save fuel, but it does spend most of the time in 8.Yea, you will spend more on fuel, but not enough to rule it out.
post #74 of 87
Thread Starter 
Drove an RX350 today- very nice. The things that concerned me about the 330 (acceleration hesitation, crappy navigation system, reports of excessive rattles/squeaks) have been rumored to be taken care of with this update. The first 2 I can say have been- acceleration was much better than the 330 and no 'turbo lag' feel to it. The 3rd I will have to see reports on before saying this could be 'the one'. The nav is also MUCH better, probably the best I've seen in any brand yet. Certainly not as much room as a Yukon, or even MDX, but I was very, very comfortable in the back seat and I'm a big guy. I was also quite surprised that the tiny armrest in the driver's seat is just fine comfortwise. All the bells and whistles I want and they are going for under invoice in some parts of the country, won't be too long before I could get that deal in the VA/DC/MD area as well as there's apparently a ton of them on Lexus lots. Only thing I could nitpick is that the driver's side footwell is a little tight... not a ton of room to spread the legs out. Other than that, my 45 minutes spent with it were fantastic.

Is anyone here really knowledgeable about putting together a lease offer? If so, and you wouldn't mind helping me create one, please PM me.
post #75 of 87
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Originally Posted by bigbadbuff
Drove an RX350 today- very nice. The things that concerned me about the 330 (acceleration hesitation, crappy navigation system, reports of excessive rattles/squeaks) have been rumored to be taken care of with this update. The first 2 I can say have been- acceleration was much better than the 330 and no 'turbo lag' feel to it. The 3rd I will have to see reports on before saying this could be 'the one'. The nav is also MUCH better, probably the best I've seen in any brand yet. Certainly not as much room as a Yukon, or even MDX, but I was very, very comfortable in the back seat and I'm a big guy. I was also quite surprised that the tiny armrest in the driver's seat is just fine comfortwise. All the bells and whistles I want and they are going for under invoice in some parts of the country, won't be too long before I could get that deal in the VA/DC/MD area as well as there's apparently a ton of them on Lexus lots. Only thing I could nitpick is that the driver's side footwell is a little tight... not a ton of room to spread the legs out. Other than that, my 45 minutes spent with it were fantastic.

Is anyone here really knowledgeable about putting together a lease offer? If so, and you wouldn't mind helping me create one, please PM me.


Good place to start:

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/leasin...les/index.html
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