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post #46 of 65
Ok then, I have a Samsumg LCD, it's up to the standard (1080p or i, the one that's better...) and works fine. I had it for a few yrs, they offered a one pixel dead=exchange warranty which I liked. It works fine for most movies. I used an oppo upconverting dvd player but haven't jumped into blu-ray yet (will probably get the oppo blue ray if I read it's allright). Image is fine and dandy for now and I just haven't been tempted by blue ray considering I need a pool of movies I'll want to watch to move on.
post #47 of 65
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Ok then, I have a Samsumg LCD, it's up to the standard (1080p or i, the one that's better...) and works fine. I had it for a few yrs, they offered a one pixel dead=exchange warranty which I liked. It works fine for most movies. I used an oppo upconverting dvd player but haven't jumped into blu-ray yet (will probably get the oppo blue ray if I read it's allright). Image is fine and dandy for now and I just haven't been tempted by blue ray considering I need a pool of movies I'll want to watch to move on.

1080P is better. http://www.axis.com/products/video/c...ssive_scan.htm
post #48 of 65
I just got a Panasonic 58" Plasma for my apartment at school and it's pretty great. 1080p 600hz. Great picture quality and the price was great. On sale for $1600 at Best Buy.
post #49 of 65
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What a kick in the balls.... I was JUST getting ready to do all of my research & shopping around (with the Panasonic's preferably at the top of my list), and now we run into this. I went to the Audio/Video forum mentioned in the story, and now my eyes are glazed over and my head hurts (see user-name)! Seriously, though... what's the best way to stay on top of this (with information for the common man)? I was hoping to pull the trigger in the next couple of weeks, but could wait a bit if I had to. Oh, and BTW... nifty forum. Thanks again, guys.

I hear ya. The AVS forum zapped my noodle, too. If you want to stay on top of things, I'd visit CNET periodically and monitor their reviews. They are burning through a Panasonic plasma 10 hours per day to see what happens when the software automatically changes the black level performance. Also, that AVS message board thread updates the first post with all the up-to-date news. It's a little more reader friendly. What I want to know is: do all Plasmas have some sort of software that changes the voltage, reducing the black level performance over time? Is this one just too drastic a change?

FWIW, I'm up over 600 hours and I've noticed nothing but normal, terrific performance. Maybe at a thousand the levels will change. Or maybe they've changed already and I can't tell the difference. I have a buddy who's in your shoes. His plan is to monitor the Panasonic spring release of their 2010 TVs. But at the same time, if the controversy and the 2010 TVs drive down the price of the Panasonic V10, he's going to probably just get the V10. I don't think people are appreciating sufficiently that black level performance is but one component of picture quality. The panasonics do everything else so well, that even with the reduced black level performance, a discounted G10 or V10 is still probably better than other plasmas. And ultimately, unless you have a blacked-out room (which many of us only wish we had) you won't be able to readily tell the difference in black level performance.

I'm sorta over the dissappointment. I'm in an apartment now. I can't do much about ambient light from the street. After getting hitched this October we'll go house hunting. I have permission to obtain a projector for the blacked-out future basement/theater/man-cave area. And my fiance can have the greyed-out V10 for her aerobics DVDs in the sun-washed living room.
post #50 of 65
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I was considering getting an older one since I thought it would handle different resolutions (like a computer CRT can be many different resolutions). Turns out they don't...they just interpolate every input to native instead of jumping between resolutions.

Every digital display technology (LCD, plasma, DLP, LCoS) has to interpolate to its native resolution. CRTs can adjust their beam timing to be native to a wide range of input resolutions, though you are still ultimately quantized by the CRT's mask.

CRTs also have geometry problems (lines bend near the edges), and need careful power supply design so that they can display the entire range of contrast and brightness. CRTs with inadequate power supplies will squeeze brightness or contrast ranges, or distort geometry in a way that's dependent on what's being displayed. Properly done, they can display really beautiful images. They're also a giant PITA to calibrate.

Plasmas will degrade over time, but the change is so subtle, and the timeframe so long (years) that I don't think anyone will notice without a side-by-side comparison.

If you are worried about stuff like that, I hope you're all properly breaking in your plasmas --- that will yield much more noticeable, immediate effects.

--Andre
post #51 of 65
Is it normal to see double vision on a plasma when looking at it on an angle? It's like there's two layers of screens or something.
post #52 of 65
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Is it normal to see double vision on a plasma when looking at it on an angle? It's like there's two layers of screens or something.

Only at extreme angles. At 45 degrees, you shouldn't have any double vision. I only see double vision on mine if I'm standing next to the television's side. Somebody smarter than me will know, but I'm guessing that the thickness of the plane of glass causes this. So at an extreme angle you're seeing the image on the front of the glass and on the back of the glass. Like I said, I only see it while standing right next to the TV---like when I'm adjusting the L/R speakers or need to get behind it to fiddle with wires.
LL
post #53 of 65
I notice it at not extreme angles, especially with video games. It's kind of annoying actually. I just got the TV a couple weeks ago. Didn't really notice it at first.
post #54 of 65
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I notice it at not extreme angles, especially with video games. It's kind of annoying actually. I just got the TV a couple weeks ago. Didn't really notice it at first.

If you're lucky, something's not right with your video game cables. Have you tried using a different cable? If you're seeing the double-vision thing with other sources (Cable/Sat, DVD/Blu Ray, etc) then it's probably your TV. You may be experiencing a ghosting problem. New plasmas are more susceptible to ghosting than broken-in plasmas. Maybe that's it. Hard to tell without a detailed description of picture of what you are experiencing.
post #55 of 65
just ordered a 32" 1080p panasonic with an IPS panel from today's amazon gold box

should be here tomorrow or saturday
post #56 of 65
32" 1080p is kinda LOL. Hope it wasnt too expensive.
post #57 of 65
@VernoInferno... Thanks for the reply.... As I said, what a kick in the balls... I was all set to go with a Panasonic, and just trying to decide between the G and V series. And how does the company reply??.... Well, in typical Japanese Corporate-style, of course!!! Drag feet. Drag feet some more. Deny. Then deny again. Drag feet some more. Repeat. And finally ( but only when continuously and repeatedly confronted on a large consumer-scale) an "official statement", which is usually just some lame-ass spin where they "half-admit" (with their half-truths) that they totally screwed the pooch (but only because they had the product and consumer's best interests at heart!). Guess I'll be looking at the Samsung plasmas instead. Even with the 2010 models being launched within the next couple of months, Panasonic has lost all credibility with me. That's a shame, too, because I was really, really looking forward to it. Oh, and congratulations!!.....
post #58 of 65
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32" 1080p is kinda LOL. Hope it wasnt too expensive.

It was less than the same model in 720p
post #59 of 65
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just ordered a 32" 1080p panasonic with an IPS panel from today's amazon gold box should be here tomorrow or saturday
I was eyeing that deal. Decided against it because I wanted a 37 or 42. 1080p is useless at that size, but because of the deal it was still cheaper than the 720p version of the same TV. Seemed like a good buy, nonetheless. Enjoy.
post #60 of 65
My rule of thumb is not to buy a LCD if I'm looking at anything 42' and smaller.
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