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post #9811 of 15037
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post

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I have nothing against the efforts to monetize the forum. After all the entertainment I've gotten here, I can hardly complain about banner ads or affiliate threads or J and Fok making a buck. I hope they make millions. But for that to happen, there has to be something worth commodifying. After the forum split, MC had a fairly clear focus on the tailored clothing aesthetic, but that's been diluted to the point that the noobs are baffled as to why there are two casual clothing forums here. Now, instead of having a MC WAYW thread -- a wonderfully wide-open concept -- we have five or six. And endless threads, each more specific than the last, that exist just to show off purchases and get praise. People don't have conversations so much as compliment or complain. It's all very insular, even as the focus has shifted to the generic. While it's entertaining on a superficial level, I doubt it's the sort of content that will keep people coming back long-term.
I'd love it if MC were filled with great, vigorous threads begging to be packaged and sold. Maybe the lack of that sort of content will eventually drive home the problem.

Exactly.
post #9812 of 15037
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

The thrill is gone. I don't know how to recapture it.

Two words: Odd jackets.
post #9813 of 15037
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Of course, I still dress spectacularly well.

That's my story as well.
post #9814 of 15037
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post

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Well, the original thread has been restored, with the OP reinstated with the permission of Monty, in Fine Living. If you want to take a look, contribute, whatever, here it is:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/308717/bespoke-bicycles/0_50
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I'd like to challenge the contention that SF is quantity driven. Advertising is our main source of revenue. However, most of our revenue is *not* through banners, and other "eyeball driven" traffic. Personally, I feel that banners are very 2005, but we don't (unfortunately) control what goes on in digital media. Instead, our strategy is to get retailers and brands to interact with members, to give something back, and we make concerted attempts to make sure that the advertisers with whom we work can interact well with the community.
The only way, I believe, that advertising can be effective on any form of social media, is for the members of a community to feel that the advertisers are offering something of value to the community. This has been part of our strategy since 2005, when we had our first advertisers, most of whom are still here. I think that this is a good and sustainable strategy. Time after time, our users have told us that good retailers make great members of the community. You only have to go to a thread like Epaulet's thread: http://www.styleforum.net/t/111211/epaulet-shop-official-affiliate-thread/0_50 to see that our members enjoy interacting with and form a bond with, good merchants.
We live in a digital age, and let's face it, there will never be a good men's store in Moscow, ID, unless something drastically changes here - as in - the population increases 10 fold, and people interested in tractors become interested in bespoke and designer clothing. While there are nodes of activity in NYC, LA, Chicago, DC, and San Francisco, a lot of our members are spread out across the UK, Canada, and Australia. Direct access to vendors, and, shortly, direct feedback to vendors that will help drive the direction of internet shopping, on which many members rely, is a service that benefits both members (myself included) and vendors. I see inbounds (vendors who want to advertise on the forum) very regularly, and I am pretty selective, and in many cases, have left money at the table because I don't feel that a specific retailer would be good for Styleforum. From experience, this is fairly unusual, and sometimes surprising to other forum and blog owners.
Also, everyone realizes that the community is the lifeblood of any forum. My (sometimes successful, sometimes not) initiatives has always been to increase engagement by both our core community, and to draw in new members. Both are very important. The "veterans" are those who really drive the community, and the "newbies" are those who will find camaderie on the forum, and eventually, become veterans.
Also, I don't find that MC is dead. There are threads, like the MaoMao thread, that are extremely interesting and helpful. However, if a small, persistent, number of veterans spend time ignoring these threads and belittling newbies, they are not helping the situation. We'd like to invite you to start new posts, to really engage in a positive manner.
Cheers,
Fok.

Wow. Its really impressive how oblivious you are.
post #9815 of 15037
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post

Forum soul-searching makes me sad. It's usually a sign of something bad to come.
This has been said before and elsewhere but the reason I personally post a lot less in MC is simply that I feel I have made every point I have to make about 10 zillion times. The thrill is gone. I don't know how to recapture it.
I don't recall seeing you comment on patterned linen before. I liked that discussion and wished it had continued or you had elaborated more.
post #9816 of 15037
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

Who are the members who admire the MC forum as it today, and don't think it has not become much worse?
I know that you think it is just the same old, same old.
Is there anyone who agrees with you? That things are okay, no problemo? Even one other guy?
Or to put it another way, how many members have to disagree with you for you to relent that they might be correct?
There are guys who posted in the recent pair of discussions that not only is it worse than before, it is even worse than one year ago.
I concur with you that the Maomao thread is a useful example. First of all, it is a gazman thread. Second, Maomao curtailed his activity on the MC forum and now has resurfaced it on tumblr, like many of us. The thread says more about his absence than his presence.
What is the appeal of tumblr to their creators and viewers? They seem much less interesting to me than a forum with thoughtful conversation. PPutting aside the complaints about the current level of conversation, what does a tumblr offer that is inherently better and for whom?
post #9817 of 15037
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What is the appeal of tumblr to their creators and viewers? They seem much less interesting to me than a forum with thoughtful conversation. PPutting aside the complaints about the current level of conversation, what does a tumblr offer that is inherently better and for whom?

Wondered this myself. I thought Tumblr was just for jokes and porn.
post #9818 of 15037
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

Wondered this myself. I thought Tumblr was just for jokes and porn.

Ooops. I thought email was for jokes and the internet was for porn. confused.gif
post #9819 of 15037
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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post

Who are the members who admire the MC forum as it today, and don't think it has not become much worse?
I know that you think it is just the same old, same old.
Is there anyone who agrees with you? That things are okay, no problemo? Even one other guy?
Or to put it another way, how many members have to disagree with you for you to relent that they might be correct?
There are guys who posted in the recent pair of discussions that not only is it worse than before, it is even worse than one year ago.
I concur with you that the Maomao thread is a useful example. First of all, it is a gazman thread. Second, Maomao curtailed his activity on the MC forum and now has resurfaced it on tumblr, like many of us. The thread says more about his absence than his presence.
What is the appeal of tumblr to their creators and viewers? They seem much less interesting to me than a forum with thoughtful conversation. PPutting aside the complaints about the current level of conversation, what does a tumblr offer that is inherently better and for whom?

Agreed. I feel like Tumblr is all about Me! Me! Me!. To me, the forum approach is better suited to having a conversation. If all you want to do is put up a picture and receive showers of praise, tumblr seems like the right way to go. If you want to participate in an engaged community, that's not the place for it.
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i think they serve two different purposes. i really like vox' tumbler and get more ideas about style and clothes from that than from SF (not that i put any of it into action). but i really enjoy the interactions on SF in the few fora i participate in.
post #9821 of 15037
IMO, one of the best things about SF is actual interaction with folks like foodguy and Despos. To actually get a chance to interact with experts in their field is probably the #1 coolest thing I have experienced on SF. While I lurk in the MC stuff it doesn't mean I do not read things like the fit thread, etc. and benefit but getting to actually talk to FG about stuff that I do is exceedingly rewarding.
post #9822 of 15037
and so much better than in real life.
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

and so much better smelling than in real life.

FTFY
post #9824 of 15037
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

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What is the appeal of tumblr to their creators and viewers? They seem much less interesting to me than a forum with thoughtful conversation. PPutting aside the complaints about the current level of conversation, what does a tumblr offer that is inherently better and for whom?
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Wondered this myself. I thought Tumblr was just for jokes and porn.
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Agreed. I feel like Tumblr is all about Me! Me! Me!. To me, the forum approach is better suited to having a conversation. If all you want to do is put up a picture and receive showers of praise, tumblr seems like the right way to go. If you want to participate in an engaged community, that's not the place for it.

The references to "thoughtful conversation" and "engaged community" are appealing. Let me know where you find that, I would be interested in such a site if it existed.

The one thing that tumblr can do well (not that it does necessarily) is to share and allow serendipitous discovery of delightful, interesting things and topics, something that used to happen almost every day SF. Serendipity is not possible on SF anymore, as the whole unfortunate episode with Monty's thread illustrates.

Many tumblrs also completely lack advertising or commercial intent.

One can have as much "conversation" as one likes through tumblr's commenting and private messaging system, and more if you have an associated Twitter account.

Unlike Wordpress blogs, the only real way to shit up someone's tumblr is to create your own, and then your comments show up on your tumblr and not your target's. It's very easy to keep that kind of crap out.

Many tumblrs are visually appealing, which this forum and others like it are not.

Tumblr works fast and the simple format allows rapid access to content compared to the labyrinthine search, pop-out menus, byzantine buttons, and context-bewildering clickthroughs on this sites's current Huddler platform.

There a few other things I might have missed. Overall, starting a thread on SF is far harder and less appealing that starting a subject stream on tumblr. Maybe you need forums for discussing how to bone a chicken or which Allen-Edmonds seconds sale is coming on next week.
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So, you agree with my point, but you like Tumblr. Great. However, commenting and private messaging create a different type of discussion than does a thread - I have rarely seen an actual back and forth "discussion" occur on a Tumblr, and those that I have noticed have invariably been limited to a small number of exchanges. Fora have a very different dynamic, even if it is only used to discuss the latest seconds sale on AEs and other such topics of interest only to plebs and other members of the lower classes.
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