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post #166 of 14831
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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
Is anyone else disturbed by the continuing calls to ban someone just because they say something that upsets you? I think what AF said was pretty disgusting, but I think there ought to be a modicum of free speech here. Just because he states an opinion you don't like shouldn't be a reason for banning. I pretty much felt the same way about some of the calls for AThingforCashmere and some of the others. Shame on me for not speaking up then, but I'll speak up now.

IMO AF should be (and has been) pretty well excoriated for what he said by everyone on the forum, but should not be banned.

Not to say that there shouldn't be standards...I just don't think we should draw the line at offensive opinions. Free speech and all that.

You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines.

Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.
post #167 of 14831
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines.

Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.

God you envoke so much fear, all while imposing respect at the same time
post #168 of 14831
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines. Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.
I make lots of common mistakes so this is nothing new. I apparently was unclear though when I stated that there should be standards. Since I didn't expound on what those ought to be I would concur that use of the N-word would violate them as would threatening others. Nor did I ever mean to imply that the constitution had anything to do with SF...simply that in a forum (like CE) dedicated to political speech one ought to (IMO) wield the ban-hammer judiciously. I have no idea what AThing was eventually banned for, but I am willing to concede that it was proper. What I was speaking to were the 50 times before that when folks called for his banning for little more than being a complete jerk (which I agree he was). I don't think we're in disagreement here and I have no issues at all with how the mods do their work. Sorry you took it as a criticism of that. I meant it more as a criticism of those that jump to calls for banning for every perceived slight.
post #169 of 14831
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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
I make lots of common mistakes so this is nothing new. I apparently was unclear though when I stated that there should be standards. Since I didn't expound on what those ought to be I would concur that use of the N-word would violate them as would threatening others. Nor did I ever mean to imply that the constitution had anything to do with SF...simply that in a forum (like CE) dedicated to political speech one ought to (IMO) wield the ban-hammer judiciously.

I have no idea what AThing was eventually banned for, but I am willing to concede that it was proper. What I was speaking to were the 50 times before that when folks called for his banning for little more than being a complete jerk (which I agree he was). I don't think we're in disagreement here and I have no issues at all with how the mods do their work. Sorry you took it as a criticism of that. I meant it more as a criticism of those that jump to calls for banning for every perceived slight.

No need to be sorry. j has already asked that people stop calling for other people's bannings here, but, as usual, people are e-deaf. Being a jerk is not grounds for banning, but as in all things, there are limits to how jerky you can be, and how often.
post #170 of 14831
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
No need to be sorry. j has already asked that people stop calling for other people's bannings here, but, as usual, people are e-deaf.

Maybe they should be banned. Let me compile a list.
post #171 of 14831
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Originally Posted by X-It View Post
Thank you very much. I find that English English -- British English sounds much better than American English. Very classy.
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
You probably know this, but just in case: (1) the different spellings don't imply different pronunciation; and (2) "British English" and "American English" are both very broad terms -- there are variants of British English that likely would not strike you as classy.
ya, clearly this is someone who has never met a Scouser, a Geordy, a Pikey, a Yorkshireman, anyone from East London, and while not England English, but still technically part of Britain, he's damn sure never been sworn at by a Scotsman.
post #172 of 14831
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
You've made the common mistake of thinking that free speech is something we prize here. This is not a democracy. This is a neighborhood bar. If you go into your local pub, there are gonna be guys shooting the shit and opining about all sorts of stuff that they don't know jack about and arguing with each other (that's CE). However, the Constitution of the Unites States is not going to save you from getting tossed out on your ass if you cross certain lines.

Some posters have been tossed out for outright racism. While the KKK is allowed to hold rallies, we don't allow it's members to hold their after rally party here. AThing was tossed out for the e-quivalent of breaking a bottle and challenging other patrons to mortal combat. Fran has been timed out for insisting that he be allowed to use the word n*****, although he knew well that he most certain was not allowed to here, and had been told as much by the proprietor and bartenders. I'm not going to ban him (j has the option, but I don't think that he will either), based on this incident, but at some point, if he continues not to be able to play nicely with others, he'll be told to quit the establishment.
yup, we've been using this metaphor for years around here, and it still holds true.

If you were sitting at a table, and management was in earshot, would you say it?

It's a really simple analogy, and if you would, then go ahead. If you have to give it a second thought. Best to go with the second thought....

This thread serves as both noticeboard and feedback box, and it is nice of us to offer both, but none of us have ever claimed that this is either 1/ a democracy or 2/ a place where you guys have any freedom of speech.
post #173 of 14831
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Originally Posted by Mark from Plano View Post
I have no idea what AThing was eventually banned for, but I am willing to concede that it was proper. What I was speaking to were the 50 times before that when folks called for his banning for little more than being a complete jerk (which I agree he was).
Having been on forums for nearly 10 years (geez, how sad to admit that) you start to realize after a while a certain kind of poster and where it will lead. Certain behaviors are almost assured (in my experience) to lead to disaster and almost without exception they DO. Sure, sometimes I (and others) get a little trigger happy with the "report" button, but with Cashmere and guys like that, you know it's just a matter of time and a pre-emptive ban can save a lot of flame wars and fighting, or save us from having to read things like, "well, it's understandable why brit hume's son would have killed himself... his father is a republican!" Sometimes there is no reason to wait UNTIL that sort of thing happens... AF is a different can of worms... he and I talk via PM sometimes and I really like the guy and would buy him a beer if we ever met (which would require me to cross GA state lines, so probably won't happen.) Nevertheless, I just can't figure out what happens to him sometimes when he leaves sense at the door.
post #174 of 14831
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post
No, BBC English is not RP. They're derived from different accents. RP is is more Kentish, while BBC English -- the more modern of the two -- is derived from the "University English" of the area surrounding London (Oxford, Cambridge, etc.) As for diction, spelling and grammar, I'll repeat: you equated Commonwealth English -- which IS mostly about diction and spelling -- and RP, and they are not the same thing.

I think the BBC started with RP, but moved towards "University English" in the 60's. Today even that is broadening with local accents much more apparant.

I'll take issue with RP being Kentish though. A true Kent accent is very rural sounding, but has largely disappeared apart from with some older residents of vilages. Today the North Kent coast has increasingly picked up 'Estuary English' - the difference between South Essex and North Kent is pretty much gone. Heading a little further south rural areas (and in towns) Romany has had quite an influence in language and speech.

I'd describe RP as upper-middle class/professional white collar 'Home Counties'.

Interesting discussion.
post #175 of 14831
I had a post taken down is there a reason? I am not upset just interested????
post #176 of 14831
What earned vox the title of Goon member and can Foo's title be changed to:

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Originally Posted by lasbar View Post
branleur et petit con
post #177 of 14831
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Originally Posted by Wes Bourne View Post
What earned vox the title of Goon member and can Foo's title be changed to:

http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...postcount=9591
post #178 of 14831
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
j has already asked that people stop calling for other people's bannings here, but, as usual, people are e-deaf. Being a jerk is not grounds for banning, but as in all things, there are limits to how jerky you can be, and how often.

In my defense, I forgot j's request. Franny just always seems to overstep the line which is what I was trying to say.

I redact my request so I can be in harmony with mods' desires.
post #179 of 14831
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Originally Posted by Fred49 View Post
I had a post taken down is there a reason? I am not upset just interested????

I can't find it, post a link if you can.
post #180 of 14831
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post
In my defense, I forgot j's request. Franny just always seems to overstep the line which is what I was trying to say.

I redact my request so I can be in harmony with mods' desires.

So what you're saying is, you finally love Big Brother?
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