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Please keep in mind that all the mods together don't have the capacity to see everything that goes wrong, let alone address it. I sincerely appreciate your addressing the issues as you see them (and wish we had more non-mods who would do that) but please report problem posts/posters as well. The only reason I found the WAYWRN thing was a post reported by someone who was butthurt about being called out for being a dick in there. We can't be everywhere and we can't do anything if we don't hear about it.

Can we address this for a second: WHY? Why don't we have more eyes on the prize? Why aren't there 4 or 5 people per forum willing and able to step in and stop things before they get out of hand? Several of us have volunteered to pitch in. More than that are willing to be dubiously honored, I'm sure, now that it means the ability to axe any dumbass post in your thread. Why does the need for the forum to suffer because people weren't around even exist any longer? Obviously we don't need a police state around here, but can't we round up a few more people to help with keeping the jackoffs in line? Especially considering how big this forum's gotten.

 

Of course there are lots of people who would like to have the power to step in and "stop things", but not everyone who would like it should have it. IMO most people who want power (whatever their ostensible motives, public or private) are exactly the sort who should never have it. And as MrG said, it's not as easy as just getting some new buttons. You have to reconsider all your activities on the site, past and future. You have to learn the way sausage is made. It could easily ruin your enjoyment of the site depending on your attitude. Personally, I have it both easier and harder since I have always had all the possible powers, but have never really felt like I could make real friends on here, because I still have to be the boss of people.

 

All that said, what I was saying before still stands: we don't really get things reported as much as you probably think we do. You can be the guy yelling in the corner of the bar, or you can be the guy texting the owner who is sitting in the other room and saying "man Jerry is getting out of hand with these frat guys". Everyone just assumes someone else will do that, or feels like a tattletale or a snitch or something, and doesn't do it. If you want to feel less like a snitch, do it in public, but be specific. As I said, "MC is getting to be awful" does not give me anything I can go do about it. Tell me (us) what is happening that bothers you, and tell us what we could do that would make it better. Again, we won't always do what you think will make it better (the 50 post count limit to post will not happen, sorry) but we can take it into consideration, and you can feel like you've done what you can. Or you can think of things you personally could do.

 

Also, while some of the mods are happy to discuss until the end of time why they will or won't do what you want, I personally don't usually have the energy for that. I try to reply when I get suggestions but I deliberate on my own and with the mods and we may not directly get back to you. 

 

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Rambo, you aren't shy about speaking your mind. Why don't you, and others, simply step forward in a thread when someone is out of line and tell them to go somewhere else? I think peer pressure will be far more effective and in real- time. Iamstillmatt mentioned that this is a community and it isn't just up to the mayor. I agree with him and have confronted a few folks the last few days. If we all make calling people on bad behavior the norm, I think it will diminish. I takes a village smile.gif

My telling people to shut the fuck up has actually become a running gag in DT because I do it so frequently. If you just stand in the corner of the bar yelling at people to keep it down you're just the weirdo who yells. If you actually walk up to a loud son of a bitch and deck him in the mouth then you're the guy who's probably not worth fucking with. It can't all just be words. Just notice WAYWRN the past few days. I got a number of +1's for telling people off, but the thread took a sharp turn when J walked in and laid down the law. Words are meaningless without actions to back them up.

 

Words without actions certainly are not meaningless, or you would have nothing to complain about. While kicking ass does work temporarily, I would honestly prefer people to behave correctly because they want to, rather than because they know I (or anyone) will come down on them. People who won't do that, well, we will have to kick them out, I guess happy.gif

 

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Can we address this for a second: WHY? Why don't we have more eyes on the prize? Why aren't there 4 or 5 people per forum willing and able to step in and stop things before they get out of hand? Several of us have volunteered to pitch in. More than that are willing to be dubiously honored, I'm sure, now that it means the ability to axe any dumbass post in your thread. Why does the need for the forum to suffer because people weren't around even exist any longer? Obviously we don't need a police state around here, but can't we round up a few more people to help with keeping the jackoffs in line? Especially considering how big this forum's gotten.

I don't think having a ton of mods is the answer. As I'm quickly figuring out, and I think the other new mods would agree with me here, being a mod is surprisingly nuanced, and it's not as simple as saying, "that guy's a douche, ban him." The thing about SF is that the moderation is more about common sense and less about rigid rules, which is great for the character of the site but hard to teach. It's a pretty big undertaking to get a group of people to understand how to take the right approach, and that would get exponentially harder with more people involved. I do agree that more aggressive, consistent moderation is key, but I think the emphasis has to be on quality, not quantity.

 

It's a pain. Speaking of, and to, the new mods, there is a book that was recommended by a dude late of Huddler, about "nonviolent communication". I thought it sounded pretty fruity, but I started watching this video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBGlF7-MPFI and it is extremely interesting and I think really worth your time (mod or not) to check out. And yes, the guy uses frigging puppets to talk. But actually if you give it a little bit, he is pretty hilarious and good at what he's doing.

 

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It is a shame that mods are in fact partial. It is pretty obvious.

 

Anyone who thinks anyone is, or can be, impartial is a fool. However, I do try to, and encourage other mods to, recognize when they should recuse themselves from a situation. That's one of the hardest things to learn, IMO.

 

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Can we add to the emoticon range: yuno.gif

It is quite useful in expressing a specific feeling that's not covered by the current range. Thank you for your consideration redface.gif

 

Is that 'Y U NO' guy? I'd be for that.

 

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Also, isn't their a rule that you can't post pictures of a member's family? Lasbar is in clear violation of said rule.

 

Not a rule per se, but depending on the situation, it could be anywhere from harmless (if potentially unwise) to grounds for permaban. Please report specifically if you think inappropriate.

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I a little upset sausage making got dragged into this.
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Is that 'Y U NO' guy? I'd be for that.

this might be the best thing to come of this weeks brouhaha.
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Not a rule per se, but depending on the situation, it could be anywhere from harmless (if potentially unwise) to grounds for permaban. Please report specifically if you think inappropriate.

he means the fact lasbar has a pic of his own kid, in his own avatar. just ed being ed.
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Familiarity with its manufacture is a prerequisite (and a perquisite) of the mod job.

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I could be wrong but I thought we were able to edit our thread titles using the full page editor, is that feature gone?
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I could be wrong but I thought we were able to edit our thread titles using the full page editor, is that feature gone?

you can do it. you have to click the "edit thread" button above the first post. you cant do it with the regular post editor pencil button at the bottom left.

here

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Thanks stitch, it worked. I owe you a beer.

as long as you don't get on the bar or take pics
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Thanks stitch, it worked. I owe you a beer.
as long as you don't get on the bar or take pics

i will hold you to that

no promises
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Cool, Spoo has my math.
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Cool, Spoo has my math.

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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

I don't think having a ton of mods is the answer. As I'm quickly figuring out, and I think the other new mods would agree with me here, being a mod is surprisingly nuanced, and it's not as simple as saying, "that guy's a douche, ban him." The thing about SF is that the moderation is more about common sense and less about rigid rules, which is great for the character of the site but hard to teach. It's a pretty big undertaking to get a group of people to understand how to take the right approach, and that would get exponentially harder with more people involved. I do agree that more aggressive, consistent moderation is key, but I think the emphasis has to be on quality, not quantity.

Well obviously I'm not advocating for a mod-squad (see what I did there?). But having just a few more people around, whoever they may be, would only help matters. The obvious lack of moderation has been, and still is, a constant complaint in here. Here's a good metaphor for the situation: You're a store owner and you've got 3 employees. The store is small and those 3 people can actively watch and monitor ever inch of the store. Business booms and you decide to upgrade. You move into a new store with 4 times the space. But you don't hire anyone else. Now, those 3 employees are unable to watch the store because they're busy with all the new customers checking out. Kids are stealing, knocking shit off the shelves, and generally causing a ruckus. What do you do to solve it? You hire more people to watch the store and help out.
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holy additional analogy batman!! im losing track of what we are, a bar, a store, a sandbox....
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Hire?

When do I get my first paycheck, j?
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

It is a shame that mods are in fact partial. It is pretty obvious.

Yes, well...I have a favorite child, too. As a father I'm supposed to be impartial and love my children equally (at least that's what I've heard) but in practice I definitely have a favorite. My parenting situation is a bit different from most, though.

Now that I've said that, I'm working on giving everyone here a fair shake - but I'm afraid much work still lies ahead.
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I've read through the last few pages of this thread and I can't believe some of the stuff I've seen. First of all, I know I am no one and that my opinion probably doesn't count for anyone, but saying that Vox is a snob who doesn't care for anyone who wants to learn is absurd. I would still be wearing knit ties and multi-coloured pocket squares with a business suit if it wasn't for one of his multiple helpful threads. Trying to contribute to the forum only to get a negative response to your efforts must be disappointing and I can understand why he left, though it's sad he did.

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