I think it's more so the shoes' role alongside that pant-roll. Swap out the shoes for derbies, chucks, or something else #menswear-y and it'll look better. (0)
The pant roll is just a really dumb #menswear thing in my opinion.
I don't appreciate #menswear very much—and the discussions that surround it often come off as "this is what's Masculine and therefore Good"—but I'll respect the fact that some people's taste happens to line up with that aesthetic. Extended thoughts on #menswear(Click to show)
The pant-roll is just like any of the many idiosyncrasies in #menswear (I kind of want to shoot myself for writing something with a hashtag in earnest but whatever I suppose): it'll look flair-y or contrived if you don't dig that look; otherwise it'll seem as "smart" and "casual" as #menswear enthusiasts sincerely believe these things to be. Really this isn't any different than your average Joe looking at a photo of someone Rick'd out and thinking something along the lines of "wow, that is overdone and far too self-serious." A lot of my friends like the #menswear stuff, and I don't really begrudge them for it. It's a popular look right now, and it's really nothing more than inoffensive appreciation for (though frequently a fixation on) a glorified "adult" costume. The funny thing is that, as much as we on SF might mock #menswear enthusiasts' belief in buzzwords like "classic," "clever," "flair," "casual," etc., we do something similar with the terms we (explicitly and implicitly) throw around with varying degrees of irony: "slutty," "outré," "romantic," "dark," "baller," "clean" (or, conversely, "messy-in-a-cool-notcontrived-way"). I think what I'm trying to get at is the fact that this backlash against #menswear reminds me of seventh graders arguing about taste in music as if there's a "right answer," or a superior way to appreciate aesthetics. This isn't to say that one shouldn't say "I don't like that," or "X bothers me about that aesthetic"; but it's the air of superiority—as if there is some inherent value in one's entirely contingent taste—that forecloses plurality in taste. And that's kind of a shame.
nil if you grow your hair out, and find out you're bald, are you going to start wearing clothes out of the hamper?
Nah. I've been shaving my head for 12 years now. If I go fully bald it'll just save me time in the morning since I won't have to shave my head anymore.
Pants roll is bad... agreed. But am I the only one who hates this look? I thought this goofy trend had died years ago... apparently not. Now where's a pic of that douche Nick Cannon when I need it??!!
Pants roll is bad... agreed. But am I the only one who hates this look? I thought this goofy trend had died years ago... apparently not. Now where's a pic of that douche Nick Cannon when I need it??!!
It really depends, their are certain cases where I like it and think it looks good, but most of the time I agree it looks sloppy and awful.
I don't appreciate #menswear very much—and the discussions that surround it often come off as "this is what's Masculine and therefore Good"—but I'll respect the fact that some people's taste happens to line up with that aesthetic.
Extended thoughts on #menswear(Click to show)
The pant-roll is just like any of the many idiosyncrasies in #menswear (I kind of want to shoot myself for writing something with a hashtag in earnest but whatever I suppose): it'll look flair-y or contrived if you don't dig that look; otherwise it'll seem as "smart" and "casual" as #menswear enthusiasts sincerely believe these things to be. Really this isn't any different than your average Joe looking at a photo of someone Rick'd out and thinking something along the lines of "wow, that is overdone and far too self-serious." A lot of my friends like the #menswear stuff, and I don't really begrudge them for it. It's a popular look right now, and it's really nothing more than inoffensive appreciation for (though frequently a fixation on) a glorified "adult" costume. The funny thing is that, as much as we on SF might mock #menswear enthusiasts' belief in buzzwords like "classic," "clever," "flair," "casual," etc., we do something similar with the terms we (explicitly and implicitly) throw around with varying degrees of irony: "slutty," "outré," "romantic," "dark," "baller," "clean" (or, conversely, "messy-in-a-cool-notcontrived-way"). I think what I'm trying to get at is the fact that this backlash against #menswear reminds me of seventh graders arguing about taste in music as if there's a "right answer," or a superior way to appreciate aesthetics. This isn't to say that one shouldn't say "I don't like that," or "X bothers me about that aesthetic"; but it's the air of superiority—as if there is some inherent value in one's entirely contingent taste—that forecloses plurality in taste. And that's kind of a shame.
You're right about the subjective nature of fashion but it's kind of natural to feel our tastes are superior despite this. While you obviously shouldn't be a pompous dick about it (as you mention), I don't see anything wrong with feeling your aesthetic preferences are better than others'. I think menswear is dumb, even if there is nothing inherently 'dumb' about it. This doesn't mean I find people that like menswear dumb or think less of them for liking it (though I might find those that prescribe to it a bit more unsavory in general). I don't disagree with you're main point but I think you chose the wrong post to call someone out for it. lemmywinks even says "in my opinion," which is implied in all writing and is unnecessary in my opinion. He recognizes that it's his view and doesn't insult anyone, just criticizes the look.
Also, I hate the use of "slutty," "dark," "baller," "clean" and have never heard anyone describe an outfit as "romantic" (with the exception of maybe an Ann collection, but not a fit) and definitely never "outré" lol.
It really depends, their are certain cases where I like it and think it looks good, but most of the time I agree it looks sloppy and awful.
I'll be honest... I'm not against the pant roll in general... it can be cool with the right shoes, and slacks that aren't too baggy, etc. But the sweater with shirt hanging out thing is like Abercrombie, popped collar type shit....