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I think Benesyed just lacks any basics what so ever in his wardrobe. Everything he wears seems to be a bit over designed. Instead of focusing on picking up key pieces like Yohji, I think you would be better off focusing on basic things for now to replace the things you have, especially if you are trying to make your money go the furthest.
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tacky
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I think you're a bit far off with your generalisation of Yohji, Teger. Yohji's collections often have a very bright colour pallette, see his SS12 collection, and his pieces are certainly not free from "tacky detailing" (awesomely tacky detailing) and are rarely as overly simplistic as you say they are... 


Educate yourself a bit more before you try to argue a point. Ben I like your sweater! But I do agree the jeans could use a taper biggrin.gif

I thought about Yohji's prints while I was typing the post (I know this is shocking, but I actually know a little bit about Yohji), and I'd argue the difference is that his colored pieces are both a diversion from his normal monochrome aesthetic, and are generally worn in such a way that there is a single colorful item adding a pop to an outfit that is usually black/white. Also, his prints are usually comic or anime, adding a tongue-in-cheek slightly ironic humor to them that's only reinforced by the chunky, very textured and almost pixeleted thick knits that they appear on. Look at the examples you posted - they're absurdist, they're comic and they're almost crude in presentation, which is completely different from the night out/club style prints that Benseyed wears.

And what makes Yohji so good (to me atlaest), is that his pieces are at their heart, simplistic, but simplistic in a way that's rich in design and detail. Look at his blazers - they're both a blazer (the most basic men's tailored garment there is) as well as a canvas to display deliberate stylistic departures from the fashion norms that he obviously knows so well. But it's never over the top. Yohji always has a very delicated touch. The balzer Parker is wearing above is a perfect example. At first glance it's a simple men's blazer, and only on closer inspection do you see the small details and lacing that makes it unique and thus designed.

And don't even get me started on silhouette. Yohji is oversized and loose, and even in the Yohji thread most people are telling Benseyed that he needs to size up on al lhis pieces.
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I thought about Yohji's prints while I was typing the post (I know this is shocking, but I actually know a little bit about Yohji), and I'd argue the difference is that his colored pieces are both a diversion from his normal monochrome aesthetic, and are generally worn in such a way that there is a single colorful item adding a pop to an outfit that is usually black/white. Also, his prints are usually comic or anime, adding a tongue-in-cheek slightly ironic humor to them that's only reinforced by the chunky, very textured and almost pixeleted thick knits that they appear on. Look at the examples you posted - they're absurdist, they're comic and they're almost crude in presentation, which is completely different from the night out/club style prints that Benseyed wears.
And what makes Yohji so good (to me atlaest), is that his pieces are at their heart, simplistic, but simplistic in a way that's rich in design and detail. Look at his blazers - they're both a blazer (the most basic men's tailored garment there is) as well as a canvas to display deliberate stylistic departures from the fashion norms that he obviously knows so well. But it's never over the top. Yohji always has a very delicated touch. The balzer Parker is wearing above is a perfect example. At first glance it's a simple men's blazer, and only on closer inspection do you see the small details and lacing that makes it unique and thus designed.
And don't even get me started on silhouette. Yohji is oversized and loose, and even in the Yohji thread most people are telling Benseyed that he needs to size up on al lhis pieces.

 

if you look through his runway shows for the past... about ten years or so? the majority of the looks are actually very far from monochromatic and are filled with interesting prints and thoughtful colour combinations, so again, you need to be careful with your generalisations.  I really don't know where you're getting your info from, to be honest, as a lot of his runway looks are stuffed full of prints, rather than just having one print and then a monochrome rest-of-outfit; A few examples: 

 

 

You'll also see that the prints above are definitely not ironic or absurdist or whatever else you were calling yohji's prints, they're subtle. I suspect you're basing all these generalisations off people's fit pics in the yohji thread, which do tend to be monochromatic or black and white, but which are definitely not a representation of the designer's visions in general?

 

and I would by no means call parker's blazer subtle, it doesn't take much closer inspecting to notice the laces... I do agree with you in terms of the silhouette, but as he said, he's trying to work that into his wardrobe.

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Couple points:

* Runway shows are as much to showcase the particular items in the collection, as they are to hint in a larger aesthetic shift. You seem to be saying that because Yohji shows prints in a runway collection, that that's how the prints should be worn. Also, there's a big difference between S/S collections and F/W collections, as with any designer, but you seem to be saying that his collections over the last ten years are almost entirely prints, which isn't true...

* Maybe instead of 'black/white' I should've said 'basic dark-hued colors' .

* Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

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* I also thought it was obvious when I was talking about prints in response to the ones you posted (which were printed knits), I wasn't saying that those were the only prints in a Yohji collection...

Also what's with the "well you MUST not know anything about Yohji if you think this" attitude? Are you denying my characterization of his printed knits? You don't think the printed pajama pants- esque pants have a sense of playful humor about them? And you don't think that all of this prints are categorically different from tacky Armani Exchange and Express style prints that are just random lines and contrasting lame fabric appliques?

A/W 2011

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S/S 2010

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ss11_yohji.jpg <-- thats not subdued?
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Whoah, just saw this same fit at Goodwill.
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if you saw that sweater at goodwill cop it now

(know you're just snarkin' but yeah)
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AWang tank / Lanvin necklace, pants, shoes / Rick jacket

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Okay, Teger, I'm not saying that that's how the prints should be worn, as I'm pretty sure you're well aware people can wear clothes however the hell they want, I'm just saying this is how Yohji has showcased them to disprove your point where you mentioned they tend to be worn without other prints, but instead with a more subdued outfit. Admittedly Yohji does do that with some looks, but you'll find that the majority of looks with prints tend to be paired with a lot of other prints and bright colours. I never once claimed that you didn't know anything about Yohji, clearly you do, it just seems you're generalising the yohji aesthetic off of what seems to be a fairly limited amount of resources. 

 

and yes, of course his prints are different from "tacky armani exchange ones", they're far superior, but they're not entirely dissimilar, and what you say there contradicts the statement preceding it, a lot of his prints are tacky and do have a subtle humour to them, and in that way are similar to the tacky armani prints you're talking about. (although admittedly a lot nicer and of a higher quality)

 

Just because you found a few examples of what you're talking about, that doesn't mean all of yohji's designs follow said examples, if you look back through the recent collections you'll see that most of them do not...

 

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear no one's going to win this argument, I give up now...

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Really dig the mustard+red color combo.

As Shah say's it's ketchup and mustard - perfect for hot dogs (I could ask whether it's a suitable topping for burgers but that might lead to another few pages of diversion wink.gif )

I think I need a higher necked long sleeve T with the sweater...
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Fool on the hill Thursday.

Had to pop into the office today and this was taken at lunchtime so it's a bit wrinkled...

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Nigel Cabourn
Uniqlo
COS
boots are Loake (distressed officer boots I think) but the grass hides them...
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duplicate...
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Okay, Teger, I'm not saying that that's how the prints should be worn, as I'm pretty sure you're well aware people can wear clothes however the hell they want, I'm just saying this is how Yohji has showcased them to disprove your point where you mentioned they tend to be worn without other prints, but instead with a more subdued outfit. Admittedly Yohji does do that with some looks, but you'll find that the majority of looks with prints tend to be paired with a lot of other prints and bright colours. I never once claimed that you didn't know anything about Yohji, clearly you do, it just seems you're generalising the yohji aesthetic off of what seems to be a fairly limited amount of resources. 

and yes, of course his prints are different from "tacky armani exchange ones", they're far superior, but they're not entirely dissimilar, and what you say there contradicts the statement preceding it, a lot of his prints are tacky and do have a subtle humour to them, and in that way are similar to the tacky armani prints you're talking about. (although admittedly a lot nicer and of a higher quality)

Just because you found a few examples of what you're talking about, that doesn't mean all of yohji's designs follow said examples, if you look back through the recent collections you'll see that most of them do not...

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear no one's going to win this argument, I give up now...

I think its more that the Yohji prints are designed to be a little snarky and humorous, whereas the armani prints and such are (possibly) designed as and (most likely) view by the potential buyers as serious and "cool" or "good-looking." I realize that's pretty pretentious as a distinction but I think the attitude with which they were designed is important to think about when you view and examine the work. I also think the playfulness comes through in Yohji's designs.

I still don't know what this has to do with Ben's graphic tees, which I agree should probably go. Good looking graphic tees are few and far between.
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