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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

Can someone from the UK explain to me how you have cream tea without looking like a complete fucking moron? You put everything onto your scone with the spoon, right?

close your eyes and open your mouth
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream_tea

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post #77268 of 117677
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Originally Posted by Urthwhyte View Post

I'm sure someone like Fuuma or sipang can comment to this better than I, but skirting for men has only seen a resurgence on the runway in the past ~3 years. It was a big thing for SS09 with Galliano, Rei, and Rick all walking stuff, and more recently we have Thamanyah and Rad Hourani. Despite its visibility in collections, it's a resurrection that has been confined to the runway; buyers are hardly picking them up in droves, even among stores with more "aggressive" selections. The rare streetstyle shot is featured for the novelty as often as for being a good outfit. I have to agree with AFL's statement that "A dude in a skirt is transgressive, and will be five years from now" - current trends on the high street are heteronormative now moreso than ever. (Cue links to cultural anthropology/gender study theses linking freedom of self-expression and economic climate here)
It's definitely something that, as with anything, can look great. Without delving into a discussion of the subjectivity of taste and its origins in learned cultural norms, lest I start another round of back and forth. Aside from a select few posters, I don't think anyone is concerned that it's a set of bloomers so much as that there's an ugly pattern paired with questionable footwear and top.

The thing is that when Gaultier did it you had the same "transgressive gesture" discourse surrounding it and men still don't wear skirts and happily call people wearing them faggots. Now things aren't that simple as men's relationship to clothing and fashion has definitely changed amoung the under 30 crowd but skirts for men at H&M without people going apeship isn't for tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

What the fuck are we allowed to dress in, then? this is a pretty narrow view of fashion, and of global culture in general. There's a difference between saying "well, I think that's beautiful but i live in the Bible Belt and I'll get my fucking ass kicked by blue collar types or oil derrick workers on the way home from work and it's just not worth it" - which is at least honest - and saying that you shouldn't wear something because it's "not from your culture." Or whatever the fuck sort of half-assed intellectualism you're trying to put together over there. Maybe your words aren't coming out right, but right now you sound like an idiot. Do you mean that people should understand what they're wearing? Because that would make a bit more sense, to a limited extent, but then we might as well have another discussion of hipsterism and the random appropriation of cultural signifiers, which is perhaps more relevant, but I don't know that we can handle it at this point. If you live in a climate that supports it, I'm not sure why you wouldn't just wear what you like. I'd feel like a cock wearing a kandora around a place where it's culturally significant, but reading through any expat forum will show you that it's done.
It's particularly amusing that this discussion revolves around Parker's wardrobe choices - to all appearances, he lives on a coast in a tolerant, global, fairly cosmopolitan city and embraces what he has described as a "coastal" style. Considering he seems to wear Yohji pretty damn regularly, I don't really understand the complaint. I'm not seeing any problem with that. Even if it were Robbie who had all of a sudden decided to wear a rick skirt, I don't see a problem with changing things up if you feel like it.

Your daily look participate in the fiction of the self you have created for yourself and others, if you switch it up at random it is bound to create some friction. If I wear a suit and tie 364 days a year and my friends suddenly see me in a leather jacket and rock tee they're going to react.
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post

laugh.gif ouch! portlandia is awesome.
I have worn this with a yohji military jacket on top looks better. . i think this is missing a tougher masculine element to offset the softer stuff. just too hot for anything today and working at home.

 

This. I missed all the controversy yesterday, but as a general response to the discussion, when I see westerners wearing hakama with tank tops or anything too skinny, it makes me feel faintly embarrassed (and my wife, who is Japanese, just laughs). Whether it's Yohji or more traditional Japanese male style) hakama tend to be worn with something on top that balances the bottom half, either the traditional haori (kimono-like coat) or a Yohji-type oversized jacket.

 

What I mean here is that there's a certain element of respect for the origins of things that contributes to the coherence and balance of an outfit. It's not just about grad school arguments about gender binaries (and BTW, arguments on the basis only of what is 'correct' for mainstream gender roles are ridiculous, but that's not the only point of analysis here). It's not about calling things 'skirts' either. That in itself is the assignment of a mainstream anglo-america, normative assumption to something that does not originate within that system of meaning. Kilts, hakama, sarongs etc. all have their own existence, history and cultural place and are not 'skirts' just because they look superficially like a skirt. And again, that doesn't mean that men wearing skirts is wrong or looks bad either, but that's a different discussion.

 

This is, by the way, why Neofinita and Ivwri always look pretty damn good - because they have some understanding of this.


Edited by FlyingMonkey - 10/3/12 at 9:20am
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In Cornwall, the cream tea was traditionally served with a "Cornish split", a type of slightly sweet white bread roll, rather than a scone.[5] It is now rare to find this available commercially, even in Cornwall, although splits are still used by many Cornish families in their own homes. The warm roll (or scone) is first buttered, then spread with strawberry jam, and finally topped with a spoonful of clotted cream. Scones are rarely buttered in commercially available teas.

 

      Um...

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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

There's always consequences to how you dress -- good or bad. In the US, even the worst consequences aren't particularly bad (someone thinks you're gay or less of you), but in other cultures and societies the consequences can be much harsher, even life-threatening. People on fashion sites always try to argue that you should be able to where whatever you want anywhere and if you don't want to it's your own personal hangups, but this is only in very select segments of the world.

I just skimmed through the last 8/9 pages and didn't really pay too much attention to the argument but I wore jeans and a sweatshirt yesterday and got hit on by a gay guy. ..and I'm sick

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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

Your daily look participate in the fiction of the self you have created for yourself and others, if you switch it up at random it is bound to create some friction. If I wear a suit and tie 350 days a week and my friends suddenly see me in a leather jacket and rock tee they're going to react.

That seems a fairly minor offense, actually (at least it would be where I live and in most places I've been to). Likewise, Parker moving from 16" wide yohji cargoes to hakama pants seems a minor offense. I'm probably on the far-ish side of the scale (towards friction/incongruity), but I've never been told by anyone (excluding car-window hecklers) that they're put off by anything I wear. Granted, I'm not in suits one day and BBS jumpsuits the next, but I willingly admit I jump around a bit.

I also imagine it's different if you're older, work in a more conservative environment, have more conservative friends, etc - but if you're hanging out and working with hippies, artists, and green architects or whatever you're probably unlikely to make waves. My experience, at least. Plus, I don't believe that friction's always a bad thing.

And, finally, it all sort of obviously depends on who you are, what you're wearing, and how you're wearing it. Full-on MC to RO gym instructor might raise a few eyebrows, but again, trying something new isn't always bad, and I'm of the opinion that, while the fashunz might be a fascia, if you're comfortable and happy in it and feel OK with people throwing drinks at you and calling you a tranny mess or a faggot, there are worse crimes than an idiosyncratic or incongruous wardrobe. I mean, us kids gotta figure out who we are, right?
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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

That seems a fairly minor offense, actually (at least it would be where I live and in most places I've been to). Likewise, Parker moving from 16" wide yohji cargoes to hakama pants seems a minor offense. I'm probably on the far-ish side of the scale (towards friction/incongruity), but I've never been told by anyone (excluding car-window hecklers) that they're put off by anything I wear. Granted, I'm not in suits one day and BBS jumpsuits the next, but I willingly admit I jump around a bit.
I also imagine it's different if you're older, work in a more conservative environment, have more conservative friends, etc - but if you're hanging out and working with hippies, artists, and green architects or whatever you're probably unlikely to make waves. My experience, at least. Plus, I don't believe that friction's always a bad thing.
And, finally, it all sort of obviously depends on who you are, what you're wearing, and how you're wearing it. Full-on MC to RO gym instructor might raise a few eyebrows, but again, trying something new isn't always bad, and I'm of the opinion that, while the fashunz might be a fascia, if you're comfortable and happy in it and feel OK with people throwing drinks at you and calling you a tranny mess or a faggot, there are worse crimes than an idiosyncratic or incongruous wardrobe. I mean, us kids gotta figure out who we are, right?

I did not pass an ethical judgment but merely explained a social consequence. Now on the other hand the "fiction of the self" is a psychic process and helps us maintain a credible identiy instead of the fragmented one we actually have so it is relatively good for us to have some anchors for this fiction. Not saying clothes have to be it or that "changing looks" isn't part of certain social rituals. On the other hand being totally unexpected is not something we want in ourselves and others and the punishment may be swift.

As for Parker: he lives in SanFran (I think), works in a creative environment (this means jeans and tees though not high fashion, these people are as bigoted as the next) and the fit was in-line with some other fits he posted. I'd like to see the Hakama in motion and a better top+shoes pairing.

I must confess having never been heckled for what I was wearing I can't really relate to the redneck in a truck throwing drinks thing.
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I get the occasional car window heckle in boulder too

(supposedly liberal, but still kinda frat bro)

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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I'd like to see the Hakama in motion and a better top+shoes pairing.

a lil bit of motion for you

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the best analogy i could think of was like a jelly fish suspended in air as you walk

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All this talk is making me want to purchase a pair of Yohji trousers now.
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I own a pair of indigo dyed hakamas as I had to wear them when practicing kendo, the look in motion is really nice and they got some fadez.
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all this hakama talk just makes me want to watch the video for Kate Bush's Running Up That Hill
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