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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

There's always consequences to how you dress -- good or bad. In the US, even the worst consequences aren't particularly bad (someone thinks you're gay or less of you), but in other cultures and societies the consequences can be much harsher, even life-threatening. People on fashion sites always try to argue that you should be able to where whatever you want anywhere and if you don't want to it's your own personal hangups, but this is only in very select segments of the world.

I just skimmed through the last 8/9 pages and didn't really pay too much attention to the argument but I wore jeans and a sweatshirt yesterday and got hit on by a gay guy. ..and I'm sick

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Your daily look participate in the fiction of the self you have created for yourself and others, if you switch it up at random it is bound to create some friction. If I wear a suit and tie 350 days a week and my friends suddenly see me in a leather jacket and rock tee they're going to react.

That seems a fairly minor offense, actually (at least it would be where I live and in most places I've been to). Likewise, Parker moving from 16" wide yohji cargoes to hakama pants seems a minor offense. I'm probably on the far-ish side of the scale (towards friction/incongruity), but I've never been told by anyone (excluding car-window hecklers) that they're put off by anything I wear. Granted, I'm not in suits one day and BBS jumpsuits the next, but I willingly admit I jump around a bit.

I also imagine it's different if you're older, work in a more conservative environment, have more conservative friends, etc - but if you're hanging out and working with hippies, artists, and green architects or whatever you're probably unlikely to make waves. My experience, at least. Plus, I don't believe that friction's always a bad thing.

And, finally, it all sort of obviously depends on who you are, what you're wearing, and how you're wearing it. Full-on MC to RO gym instructor might raise a few eyebrows, but again, trying something new isn't always bad, and I'm of the opinion that, while the fashunz might be a fascia, if you're comfortable and happy in it and feel OK with people throwing drinks at you and calling you a tranny mess or a faggot, there are worse crimes than an idiosyncratic or incongruous wardrobe. I mean, us kids gotta figure out who we are, right?
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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

That seems a fairly minor offense, actually (at least it would be where I live and in most places I've been to). Likewise, Parker moving from 16" wide yohji cargoes to hakama pants seems a minor offense. I'm probably on the far-ish side of the scale (towards friction/incongruity), but I've never been told by anyone (excluding car-window hecklers) that they're put off by anything I wear. Granted, I'm not in suits one day and BBS jumpsuits the next, but I willingly admit I jump around a bit.
I also imagine it's different if you're older, work in a more conservative environment, have more conservative friends, etc - but if you're hanging out and working with hippies, artists, and green architects or whatever you're probably unlikely to make waves. My experience, at least. Plus, I don't believe that friction's always a bad thing.
And, finally, it all sort of obviously depends on who you are, what you're wearing, and how you're wearing it. Full-on MC to RO gym instructor might raise a few eyebrows, but again, trying something new isn't always bad, and I'm of the opinion that, while the fashunz might be a fascia, if you're comfortable and happy in it and feel OK with people throwing drinks at you and calling you a tranny mess or a faggot, there are worse crimes than an idiosyncratic or incongruous wardrobe. I mean, us kids gotta figure out who we are, right?

I did not pass an ethical judgment but merely explained a social consequence. Now on the other hand the "fiction of the self" is a psychic process and helps us maintain a credible identiy instead of the fragmented one we actually have so it is relatively good for us to have some anchors for this fiction. Not saying clothes have to be it or that "changing looks" isn't part of certain social rituals. On the other hand being totally unexpected is not something we want in ourselves and others and the punishment may be swift.

As for Parker: he lives in SanFran (I think), works in a creative environment (this means jeans and tees though not high fashion, these people are as bigoted as the next) and the fit was in-line with some other fits he posted. I'd like to see the Hakama in motion and a better top+shoes pairing.

I must confess having never been heckled for what I was wearing I can't really relate to the redneck in a truck throwing drinks thing.
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I get the occasional car window heckle in boulder too

(supposedly liberal, but still kinda frat bro)

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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post

I'd like to see the Hakama in motion and a better top+shoes pairing.

a lil bit of motion for you

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the best analogy i could think of was like a jelly fish suspended in air as you walk

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All this talk is making me want to purchase a pair of Yohji trousers now.
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I own a pair of indigo dyed hakamas as I had to wear them when practicing kendo, the look in motion is really nice and they got some fadez.
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all this hakama talk just makes me want to watch the video for Kate Bush's Running Up That Hill
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Edited by thewho13 - 10/3/12 at 12:31pm
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lol @artishard, what a homophobe. Get out of NY, asshole!

Shah's hakama fit is great. Maybe it's the muted color palette and better shoe/shirt pairing, but it really looks good
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

There's always consequences to how you dress -- good or bad. In the US, even the worst consequences aren't particularly bad (someone thinks you're gay or less of you), but in other cultures and societies the consequences can be much harsher, even life-threatening. People on fashion sites always try to argue that you should be able to where whatever you want anywhere and if you don't want to it's your own personal hangups, but this is only in very select segments of the world.

Teger, are you suggesting that we all... check our privilege?
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hey good morning! I'm glad I could provide some material for lively discussion. :-) I totally agree that the combo is not that great and said it a couple times. To Who's point, I actually did have some gladiator sandals on earlier and a big overshirt which looked a little better. It was just freaking hot yesterday. I wasn't trying to provoke anyone or make any kind of statement about gender issues. Just trying out something new. I live in a city where you can see dudes in assless chaps or in full drag at the local Starbucks. So this won't raise too many eyebrows, but I agree it's a miss. But, I do think it can work in the right context -- either with different elements like I mentioned before, a structured military jacket or something hard to offset the soft. In the end, I think this piece is best with a different person, someone who has a more fierce disposition. Someone with full arm tattoos or piercings maybe. I have two other hakama pants which are basically the same pleated wide leg design but are gathered at the ankle creating a more traditional "pants" shape. It's funny that just that one tweak really changes the tone.

fwiw, here are a couple images of the same pants worn differently just for reference. edit: yes, as catfish said the styling is much cooler.

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carry on!
Edited by Parker - 10/3/12 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by conceptual 4est View Post

all this hakama talk just makes me want to watch the video for Kate Bush's Running Up That Hill


Bush x Yohji collab


(Ignore the "Silent"; it's mis-labeled.)
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I think the further you dress from the norm the better job you have to do off "selling" your look. Looking at the runway photos, you get a sense that the models (well stylists probably) understand this and those looks fly.
It's well within the right of a forum member to say, basically, "Im not sold on fit." It appears Julien did just that (which I agree with). Seems like a lot of shit then got projected onto him, which probably was unwarranted.
Anyone who's been to any number of Dead shows or multi day reggae concerts has probably seen many man skirt outfits. Id say many are just more dumpy than they are challenging to our cultural rigidity.
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