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Look, all I said was that Parker looked like an old lesbo. Not that he looked like a tranny. Lets just take it down a notch here people.
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Probably would work better if it were like more structured and a tad shorter like the one marc jacobs(its marc jacobs right?) is wearing.  I actually quite like that fit, couldn't pull it off though.

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i think a better question for discussion though is why is androgyny always vaguely masculine?

Is it?

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As for RO, I lean towards thewho's side of things. It seems faddish, and without wide-spread acceptance and accessibility I can't imagine it having any lasting impact.

also teg you should join the social justice / white knights / philosophy 281 team. We can't be real progressives until we're all preoccupied with pedantic infighting.
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In Pakistan and India lungi is a very common article of clothing for men. Its pretty much a skirt. Now that doesn't make me less or more heterosexist but femininity and skirts are not necessarily intimately tied.

For me its not really the skirt but the tank. The skirt may or may not have a bleh pattern but i think that requires a better top to really tease out

Also this is a lungi




Maybe you are all just racist biggrin.gif
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Rick is so far on the "avant-garde" side of menswear that your typical menswear enthusiasts won't be talking about that in the mainstream for a looooooong time. Plenty of menswear enthusiasts probably don't even know Yohji either. (These dudes practically masturbate to Mad Men reruns and camo jackets.)

And again, it's not like greater acceptance in the high-end fashion industry is a sign of "progress" or "change." In fact, trying to justify wearing a skirt (or something skirt-like) that cost designer dollars to someone who isn't equally sartorially inclined would only be more self-incriminating.

Teger, you're conflating a very minor instance of and ostensible trajectory toward acceptance in a niche market of eccentric weirdos with the general public's understanding of transgression. The two really don't match up very well at all.
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I have no idea what "recent social and cultural changes" prompted this prolonged diatribe regarding men in skirts. It's not going to take the world by storm. It looks bad. You can't justify it with gender studies thesis length posts, no matter how much you may try.

Hakamas are not skirts, but they still look bad on 99.9% of people who wear them. You are not practicing aikido in turn of the century Japan.

This self absorbed gender shit is like the fly that lurks around your room but always flits out of reach when you try to kill it. Then when you assume it's left and settle back down in your chair and turn on the TV it buzzes by again.
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I have no idea what "recent social and cultural changes" prompted this prolonged diatribe regarding men in skirts. It's not going to take the world by storm. It looks bad. You can't justify it with gender studies thesis length posts, no matter how much you may try.
Hakamas are not skirts, but they still look bad on 99.9% of people who wear them. You are not practicing aikido in turn of the century Japan.
This self absorbed gender shit is like the fly that lurks around your room but always flits out of reach when you try to kill it. Then when you assume it's left and settle back down in your chair and turn on the TV it buzzes by again.

I have no problem with most of the arguments here except the bold. I don't use pockets in cargo pants. Or wear blazers to a strictly formal event. And other pragmatic applications of other menswear items.

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Here's a fit from maybe a year or so back. I can't remember what each individual piece is, but if I'm not mistaken this guys is wearing a skirt (with leggings too, it appears)—and I think it looks cool.




It just requires the right ensemble.
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Returning to Parker's fit once more, I think different footwear would have worked better. Either the crazy gladiator sandals or a pair of Purcells would've come off as less ballet-slipper-like.
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i want to hang out with thewho13
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eetin some gelato

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I don't buy it. A dude in a skirt is transgressive, and will be five years from now. Like you said, women adopted menswear for practical, and sometimes symbolic reasons. What practical reason does any guy have to wear a skirt? There just aren't the same avenues towards acceptance.
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apparently men wearing skirts didn't need to enter the conversation through politics or practicality; instead it's doing so directly on the runway. it might not be 5 years from now, but i think rick's collections signal a definite shift towards a change in acceptable menswear. i think a better question for discussion though is why is androgyny always vaguely masculine?
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Sure, Rick can put out a line of leather skirts aimed at cisgender males. Sure, people in the fashion world might react positively to that. But that hardly speaks to the general public, and such an example is just a peculiar sort of tokenism. Saying an outfit is too feminine is homophobic (or, more accurately, heterosexist) because, even though one might intend to speak just about aesthetics, such comments come across as regulatory given the ever-present specters of idealized masculinity and femininity.
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the biggest issue is that your complaint is in many ways becoming moot. rick owens is walking skirts and dresses down the runway in his men's collections, which signals - at least on some level - a shift towards a greater acceptance of men dressing feminine.

 

I'm sure someone like Fuuma or sipang can comment to this better than I, but skirting for men has only seen a resurgence on the runway in the past ~3 years. It was a big thing for SS09 with Galliano, Rei, and Rick all walking stuff, and more recently we have Thamanyah and Rad Hourani. Despite its visibility in collections, it's a resurrection that has been confined to the runway; buyers are hardly picking them up in droves, even among stores with more "aggressive" selections. The rare streetstyle shot is featured for the novelty as often as for being a good outfit. I have to agree with AFL's statement that "A dude in a skirt is transgressive, and will be five years from now" - current trends on the high street are heteronormative now moreso than ever. (Cue links to cultural anthropology/gender study theses linking freedom of self-expression and economic climate here)

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Here's a fit from maybe a year or so back. I can't remember what each individual piece is, but if I'm not mistaken this guys is wearing a skirt (with leggings too, it appears)—and I think it looks cool.

It's definitely something that, as with anything, can look great. Without delving into a discussion of the subjectivity of taste and its origins in learned cultural norms, lest I start another round of back and forth. Aside from a select few posters, I don't think anyone is concerned that it's a set of bloomers so much as that there's an ugly pattern paired with questionable footwear and top.

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sick jacket and shoes
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not sure if this is really you lol laugh.gif
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