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I have no idea what "recent social and cultural changes" prompted this prolonged diatribe regarding men in skirts. It's not going to take the world by storm. It looks bad. You can't justify it with gender studies thesis length posts, no matter how much you may try.
Hakamas are not skirts, but they still look bad on 99.9% of people who wear them. You are not practicing aikido in turn of the century Japan.
This self absorbed gender shit is like the fly that lurks around your room but always flits out of reach when you try to kill it. Then when you assume it's left and settle back down in your chair and turn on the TV it buzzes by again.

I have no problem with most of the arguments here except the bold. I don't use pockets in cargo pants. Or wear blazers to a strictly formal event. And other pragmatic applications of other menswear items.

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Here's a fit from maybe a year or so back. I can't remember what each individual piece is, but if I'm not mistaken this guys is wearing a skirt (with leggings too, it appears)—and I think it looks cool.




It just requires the right ensemble.
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Returning to Parker's fit once more, I think different footwear would have worked better. Either the crazy gladiator sandals or a pair of Purcells would've come off as less ballet-slipper-like.
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i want to hang out with thewho13
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eetin some gelato

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Edited by BreezyBirch - 10/2/12 at 11:11pm
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Originally Posted by A Fellow Linguist View Post
I don't buy it. A dude in a skirt is transgressive, and will be five years from now. Like you said, women adopted menswear for practical, and sometimes symbolic reasons. What practical reason does any guy have to wear a skirt? There just aren't the same avenues towards acceptance.
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apparently men wearing skirts didn't need to enter the conversation through politics or practicality; instead it's doing so directly on the runway. it might not be 5 years from now, but i think rick's collections signal a definite shift towards a change in acceptable menswear. i think a better question for discussion though is why is androgyny always vaguely masculine?
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Sure, Rick can put out a line of leather skirts aimed at cisgender males. Sure, people in the fashion world might react positively to that. But that hardly speaks to the general public, and such an example is just a peculiar sort of tokenism. Saying an outfit is too feminine is homophobic (or, more accurately, heterosexist) because, even though one might intend to speak just about aesthetics, such comments come across as regulatory given the ever-present specters of idealized masculinity and femininity.
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the biggest issue is that your complaint is in many ways becoming moot. rick owens is walking skirts and dresses down the runway in his men's collections, which signals - at least on some level - a shift towards a greater acceptance of men dressing feminine.

 

I'm sure someone like Fuuma or sipang can comment to this better than I, but skirting for men has only seen a resurgence on the runway in the past ~3 years. It was a big thing for SS09 with Galliano, Rei, and Rick all walking stuff, and more recently we have Thamanyah and Rad Hourani. Despite its visibility in collections, it's a resurrection that has been confined to the runway; buyers are hardly picking them up in droves, even among stores with more "aggressive" selections. The rare streetstyle shot is featured for the novelty as often as for being a good outfit. I have to agree with AFL's statement that "A dude in a skirt is transgressive, and will be five years from now" - current trends on the high street are heteronormative now moreso than ever. (Cue links to cultural anthropology/gender study theses linking freedom of self-expression and economic climate here)

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Here's a fit from maybe a year or so back. I can't remember what each individual piece is, but if I'm not mistaken this guys is wearing a skirt (with leggings too, it appears)—and I think it looks cool.

It's definitely something that, as with anything, can look great. Without delving into a discussion of the subjectivity of taste and its origins in learned cultural norms, lest I start another round of back and forth. Aside from a select few posters, I don't think anyone is concerned that it's a set of bloomers so much as that there's an ugly pattern paired with questionable footwear and top.

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sick jacket and shoes
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I think like Ben said, this seems to be more of a function of Western ideals of masculine dress than anything else. The male traditional costume from my mother's place in Nigeria involves a long wrap around "skirt" and a lace see-through long shirt. To my eyes, none of the men in this outfit look "feminine" in the slightest. In the case of Thamanyah he is just re-purposing his own traditional outfits, he is not trying to put men in dresses. Fashion designers just seem to be drawing from a wider pool of references which to my own eye is great. It is interesting that Kingjulien believes that shah is the only one who looks good in hakamas, I wonder whether that is because shah's ethnicity makes it seem more appropriate to him on some subconscious level.

I would probably have gone for a looser and longer tank myself, but in my head I think Parker's outfit would look way better in motion, especially in the side shot.
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not sure if this is really you lol laugh.gif

nah I am just showing u guys what a real man dress is.
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Today.

 

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I think like Ben said, this seems to be more of a function of Western ideals of masculine dress than anything else. The male traditional costume from my mother's place in Nigeria involves a long wrap around "skirt" and a lace see-through long shirt. To my eyes, none of the men in this outfit look "feminine" in the slightest. In the case of Thamanyah he is just re-purposing his own traditional outfits, he is not trying to put men in dresses. Fashion designers just seem to be drawing from a wider pool of references which to my own eye is great. It is interesting that Kingjulien believes that shah is the only one who looks good in hakamas, I wonder whether that is because shah's ethnicity makes it seem more appropriate to him on some subconscious level.
I would probably have gone for a looser and longer tank myself, but in my head I think Parker's outfit would look way better in motion, especially in the side shot.

 

There are some other examples - I think you've had some good outfits with them, and shuit and heirloom on SZ have done similar looks that were really well-done.  I think it's less a function of ethnicity and more one of (perceived) comfort - if you wear skinny jeans 28 days out of the month and skirt-like hakamas the other 2-3, there's a disharmony there, especially if none of the other cultural elements (Japanese, African, whatever) of what's being referenced are present.  If you're not Nigerian, don't live in Nigeria, don't really have much other interest in Nigerian culture, and dress Western 95% of the time, wearing that outfit you described every once in awhile is odd; to me, anyway, obviously a lot of people don't agree.  Anyway, even if I think it doesn't work more often than not I think it's cool that you guys are trying it.

 

edit - though I guess you could ask "how do you know those things aren't there" and the answer is I don't, I'm just basing this on what I can see.  


Edited by KingJulien - 10/3/12 at 6:50am
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