Originally Posted by lefty
Here is a rundown of some of the reuse: As the film allotted a small budget, the artists referenced footage from previous animated features. A dance sequence in the film was traced from a sequence originally produced for Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. This is most noticeable during the song-and-dance number, "The Phony King of England"; the characters' movements strongly resemble those from The Jungle Book, The Aristocats, and Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. A notable example is that the section where Little John and Lady Cluck dance together mirrors part of the song "I Wanna Be Like You" from The Jungle Book with Baloo and King Louie respectively. Other examples include Robin Hood and Maid Marian mirroring the dancing movements of Thomas O'Malley and Duchess during the song "Everybody Wants to Be a Cat" from The Aristocats and Maid Marian mirroring the dancing movements of Snow White during the song "The Silly Song" from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. The animation of Little John, the bear in Robin Hood, is nearly identical to that of Baloo in The Jungle Book. However, Little John more closely resembles a Brown Bear or Grizzly Bear, and Baloo was based on an Indian Sloth Bear. Both characters were voiced by actor Phil Harris, and have similar personalities, though Little John seems a far more responsible character than the "jungle bum" Baloo. Because Maid Marian dances the same moves that Snow White does, she was animated to wear a petticoat instead of bloomers. The robe that Prince John wears, and the crown worn by the puppet version of himself, are the same robe and crown the king wears in Bedknobs and Broomsticks. In addition, Robin Hood's costume (green tunic and feathered cap) is similar to that of 1953's Peter Pan, sometimes leading to confusion between the two characters. At the end of the movie, a sound clip of the church bells ringing in Cinderella was used for the wedding church bells. During the beginning of the film, Sir Hiss mesmerizes Prince John with his eyes. This was the same type of ability Kaa the Indian Python had in Disney's 1967 film, The Jungle Book. This short scene may be another re-use of older animation; Hiss looks similar to Kaa. At one point, one of the elephants who act as heralds for Prince John attempts to trumpet a warning. Lady Kluck grabs the trunk, preventing the trumpeting and leaving the elephant flapping his ears ineffectually. The same joke was used in The Jungle Book, with identical sound. The vultures in the movie are identical to the ones in The Jungle Book. The movie also reuses the same animated shots several times, including those of the rhinos walking and running and those of Sis and Tagalong Rabbit (Skippy's siblings) and Toby Turtle (his friend, a turtle) laughing. Several animated clips of the Sheriff of Nottingham are also recycled at different points in the film: twice in the film, he says "There's something funny going on around here" in exactly the same tone of voice and with the exact same posture. You understand that no movie prior to or after was subject to the same amount of reuse?
But they all did reuse, and continue to reuse, and probably will always reuse, as with nearly all feature length hand drawn animation of the periods before, and after.. The animation is there to tell the story, and as long as it serves the purpose of telling the story, it was not "bad". Arguing a matter of degrees of reuse is stupid and pointless, and yet that is your ultimate point. So your ultimate point is stupid and pointless. And none of what you are saying makes Robin Hood a bad movie, which was the point you are trying so desperately hard to make, and failing. Can you honestly just tell me that you didn't JUST bitch about Disney's version of Robin Hood because the protagonist appears in a green tunic and cap?
(The cap is yellow by the way, and Robin Hood is covered with red hair because he's a talking fox, THIS SHOULD ease the confusion between Robin Hood and Peter Pan...) How can anyone not find that ridiculous? That's what Robin Hood wears.
You might as well complain about Superman wearing blue, red, and yellow because people might confuse him with Mighty Mouse. I don't "get" why you keep wanting to bash the movie. Are you afraid that because I liked it, someone might go watch it and make up their own mind?
Hang on a second, you insulted me without knowing anything about my animation background. I'm just trying to clear up that while I'm not an expert I'm also not without some chops when it comes to animation and pretty much speak from, you know, actual experience.
Lets see, you spent several pages harping an opinion
I had trying to disprove it's validity. It's a pretty simple and uncomplicated one, and one shared by a great many people, and are now trying to obscure the fact that you are talking out your ass by naming off a whole host of unrelated things, waving your supposed credentials around, and getting mad because I'm sticking up for myself? Get real. . I don't give a shit if you are Walt Disney's cryogenically frozen head IRL, every positive thing I've said in this thread about this subject (of which there was a LOT) was met by your criticism, scorn, and holier-than-thou attitude. Your animation background is irrelevant. If anything, it makes your criticisms worse, since you should KNOW BETTER than what you are saying. Unfortunately I fully believe you that you are some ex-industry hack who clings to his brief moment in the sun, reminiscing about the good old days, and how it all used to be better in the 1940's. I enjoy the fact that you think shaking hands with someone, or knowing someone, or even making a film or two make a difference when it comes to convincing me that my opinions aren't valid. Guess what, Samuel L Jackson touched my ass once. And I was invited into Cypress Hill's tour van to smoke weed with them. And I beat Ice-T at video games. And I've won awards for my poetry. And I've had sex with a lesbian. So IMO my achievements trump yours.
I am a fan and have probably seen more animation than you could possibly name. I've seen the lost Fantasia prints and banned Warner shorts screened in a well known collector's basement, have gone over a print of The Rescuers on a moviola (look it up) to find the two frames that have a topless women inserted in them, sat down with any number of world renowned animated filmmakers to shoot the shit, was interviewed by Maltin while I was screened at a festival and generally spent 20 years as an animation nerd.
blah blah blah. Well guess what, I invented animation. And film. And electricity. I'm God. I invented the universe that you live in. Prove I'm not. That means I get to tell you that your opinion sucks. ^This is your argument, and it's getting kind of old.
So yes, I am a fan and when the lights go down I'm on the film's side.
Since when? Are you starting that program soon?
Too bad, sport, you could have learned a little something about animation technique or history. Like the spontaneous orgy that broke out at the after party for Snow White.
If you'd have said anything new worth knowing in this thread, I'd have said something. FWIW, Ralph Bakshi's rotoscoped movies are a STYLE. Just because something doesn't look like a Disney movie doesn't mean it's bad either. And it's one style I happen to enjoy quite a bit. Maybe somewhere, somebody is talking shit about whatever movies you supposedly made... An American Tail2: Feivel Goes West? That would be serendipity, I suppose. Congrats on all your awards and shaking hands with very important people.