This album really grew on me. Two is actually a rather beautiful song. At first I thought it was kinda like some moany emotional hipster shit but I'm starting to like it more and more. Or maybe I'm turning into a moany emotional hipster. It'd be cool if you guys recommended different stuff for when it's your album. We can't have 50 albums of indie shit.
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post #33 of 208
1/18/10 at 6:02am
this is like the backlash stage of that hypegraph somebody in MC posted.
y'all are just hating because it's "indie" music and not because the music actually sucks. indie music by definition is not a category. it's like saying "other" is a category.
the music is good. get off your high horses.
y'all are just hating because it's "indie" music and not because the music actually sucks. indie music by definition is not a category. it's like saying "other" is a category.
the music is good. get off your high horses.
post #34 of 208
1/18/10 at 8:50am
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y'all are just hating because it's "indie" music and not because the music actually sucks. indie music by definition is not a category. it's like saying "other" is a category.
It has become a category through the increasing homogeneity of the bands labeled as such.
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1/18/10 at 10:24am
post #36 of 208
1/18/10 at 11:57am
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this is like the backlash stage of that hypegraph somebody in MC posted.
y'all are just hating because it's "indie" music and not because the music actually sucks. indie music by definition is not a category. it's like saying "other" is a category.
the music is good. get off your high horses.
y'all are just hating because it's "indie" music and not because the music actually sucks. indie music by definition is not a category. it's like saying "other" is a category.
the music is good. get off your high horses.
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post #37 of 208
1/19/10 at 4:06am
alright i gave it a few proper listens i honestly don't understand what y'all are hating on. i feel like most of you just gave it a cursory listen and ignored it just because it's "indie" music and it sounds like it would sound similar to every other brooklyn band out there. dudes are mad talented. the soundscape, aural layering, the atmosphere. maybe it's because i don't come from a strong indie background (my specialty is more rap, hip hop, backpack, mainstream, and underground), but this is pretty fresh. the lyrics, the concept, the musical atmopshere, everything is so powerful and beautiful. it's intensely personal and everything is so laden with emotion. some favorite verses kettering and walking in that room when you had tubes in your arms those singing morphine alarms out of tune atrophy In your dreams I'm a criminal, horrible sleeping around When you're awake I'm impossible, constantly letting you down bear all the while i'll know we're fucked and not getting unfucked soon two they stuck you in machines when you came close to dying they should have listened, they thought you were lying and no one paid attention when you just stopped eating 87 pounds and this all bears repeating too cold to care, to sick to shout it's so amazing. there are songs like two where a cursory glance will make you think of shake shakey anti-folk songs, but the lyrics are so devastating, so much emotion, you can feel frustrated yourself. here's a woman you love that has a terminal disease and everything could have been prevented. the physical state that she's in triggers emotions of guilt, regret, pity and thus you take all the abuse she throws at you. and you can watch the progression of his depravity, the degradation of his being as the album goes on. for example by two, it's pretty clear he's on the verge of giving up, of giving in, just listlessly doing what he's told. in songs like bear the lyrics and music is deceptively upbeat, but they convey a sense of a deep sadness, of futile hope. like you're talking with somebody who's about to leave or die about all the things you're going to do tomorrow when you know they're leaving tonight or they're too sick to actually go out. so much complexity in the aural layers. the moaning winds and strings. the gregorian chant like singing in wake. the french horns in shiva that remind me of sufjan steven's works. it reminded me of spike jonze's and charlie kaufmann's adapation, especially the opening lines of the movie. it's genius in that he's showing you something that's so highly personal, but yet you really resonate with what he's telling you and everything is so relate-able even if you haven't gone through that same experience it also reminded me a lot of clipse's hell hath no fury. maybe a little in the vein that they're "concept" albums, but more so that they focus around a certain emotion. for clipse it was contempt, disgust, pure simmering anger. for the antler's it was fear, frustration, intense sadness, a quite desperation. to me hospice was a lot more complete than hell hath no fury was because everything was pared down to the main emotions of the albums, whereas hell hath no fury was more pared down out of necessity. kind of like hospice was more constructed and artifically created to be that way, whereas hell hath no fury was just an extension of the brewing anger they had built up over the years. it may sound like it could artificial, contrived, but there's no doubt the in the realness and in the personal nature of the album. i feel like it's more so that structure of the album gave silberman? a real outlet for his personal issues. i enjoyed the experience. call me a emo whore, but it was incredibly heart breaking, so much emotion built into the experience, everything felt real. i would recommend this to other people, if not for the novel experience then purely on the strength of the music
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1/19/10 at 10:29am
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post #39 of 208
1/19/10 at 11:02am
. yeah i think i killed the thread. the thing is i don't most people today listen to albums, especially with the advent of itunes and amazon. why listen to a whole album when you can just go straight to the singles and listen to those a lot of their songs aren't for single listening kinda like madvillainy. the structure of the songs are unconventional to say the least. few songs have verse chorus verse and a lot of them are more like novels or films with 3 acts. the choruses are overly long and there's no hook for people to catch on to. it's also difficult to understand what the singer is saying, he speaks so softly with his awkward falsetto. which i think is the beauty of it. the whole album requires a serious listen from end to end and i don't think most people have the patience for that. all the songs kinda require that you listen to them in context (although i think two and maybe sylvia are exceptions) anyways great recommendation. i'm glad i spent the time to listen to it.
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1/19/10 at 11:18am
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1/19/10 at 11:32am
This morning was the first time I had the time to listen from front to back. "Epilogue" is such a great way to end the album with that motif from "Bear." I always feel resistant towards concept albums, as they seem like an easy gimmicky way of being artsy, but Hospice is just very well-executed as a story so I have to give it a pass. This album is strong as a cohesive, single unit, from Prologue to the couples' introduction in Kettering and then diving right into all the problems of suicide and emotional abuse and abortions and withering away from cancer and ending after the death with the man, alone and haunted. The hardest yet somehow most rewarding part about listening to this album is that it has reminded me of how I have acted and felt in relationships, both the narrator and patient's roles. It makes the otherwise ridiculous horror story relatable and eerie.
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1/19/10 at 12:11pm
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I'm pretty sure I explained exactly what I didn't like about this album.
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i feel like most of you just gave it a cursory listen and ignored it just because it's "indie" music and it sounds like it would sound similar to every other brooklyn band out there.I have no idea what the bolded text is supposed to mean. What, like Neil Diamond? Barry Manilow? Ol Dirty Bastard?
I feel as if you are generalizing when you said most of us didn't listen to it. I know I did, and I think the album is quite mediocre. Even for the genre, which I generally have a mild distaste for.
The things you liked about it, the fact that it's boring and depressing and the music sucks, is what the people who didn't like, don't like.
I didn't belittle anyone in my review. I'd appreciate it if you could avoid making it sound like anyone who doesn't "like" this album is somehow "not getting it". (I.E. is a moron) I get it. I just think it sucks.
post #44 of 208
1/19/10 at 12:46pm
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I'm pretty sure I explained exactly what I didn't like about this album.
I have no idea what the bolded text is supposed to mean. What, like Neil Diamond? Barry Manilow? Ol Dirty Bastard?
I feel as if you are generalizing when you said most of us didn't listen to it. I know I did, and I think the album is quite mediocre. Even for the genre, which I generally have a mild distaste for.
The things you liked about it, the fact that it's boring and depressing and the music sucks, is what the people who didn't like, don't like.
I didn't belittle anyone in my review. I'd appreciate it if you could avoid making it sound like anyone who doesn't "like" this album is somehow "not getting it". (I.E. is a moron) I get it. I just think it sucks.
I have no idea what the bolded text is supposed to mean. What, like Neil Diamond? Barry Manilow? Ol Dirty Bastard?
I feel as if you are generalizing when you said most of us didn't listen to it. I know I did, and I think the album is quite mediocre. Even for the genre, which I generally have a mild distaste for.
The things you liked about it, the fact that it's boring and depressing and the music sucks, is what the people who didn't like, don't like.
I didn't belittle anyone in my review. I'd appreciate it if you could avoid making it sound like anyone who doesn't "like" this album is somehow "not getting it". (I.E. is a moron) I get it. I just think it sucks.
I meant the various brooklyn indie bands that have been coming out for awhile.
I apologize if I offended anybody. I didn't mean it like that. I was reading the comments and a couple of people mentioned they glossed over the lyrics or don't really listen to lyrics or something like that. I thought the lyrics were the strong suit of the album and thought they deserved a good look at.
I didn't mean to insinuate that anybody was an idiot and like I said I think we all have different tastes. No problem there.
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1/19/10 at 5:11pm
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