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post #16 of 27
1/9/10 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by HitMan009 View Post
He is not doing anything close to sexual harrassment but he's known to have a dislike of a certain race and blatantly shows favoritism to those that don't raise issues/challenge him. Personally, I hate to rock the boat but there is a limit to the amount of bullshit I can take especially when he is doing to others that don't deserve it. Whether it is his intent or not, he just rubs everyone the wrong way because of many reasons that are not limited to his incompetence and lack of/nonexistent leadership/people skills.

call your HR dept. and discuss with them
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post #17 of 27
1/9/10 at 11:26pm
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Wow, that's fucked up..... Thanks for acknowledging what I basically know. The higher up holds all the cards!

This thread reminds me that I did actually participate in getting my predecessor fired and I ended up replacing him. Like your superior he never did anything illegal or against policy but he was incompetent and lacked leadership ability. The main thing that got him canned was that complaints came from a few different people and his incompetence was linked to potential money loss. Actually, two people quit the company to work for a competitor and left a long detailed explanation that their main reason for leaving was that had lost respect for an organization that would have him in a management role.
The other factor is that I had a very good relationship with his direct superior so that when he came to ask my opinion of the situation I agreed with everything they said. The next thing I knew I was offered the position to replace him.

Not sure if that has any bearing on your situation and doubt that the same actions would have the same result there but some food for thought.
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post #18 of 27
1/10/10 at 1:06am
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This thread reminds me that I did actually participate in getting my predecessor fired and I ended up replacing him. Like your superior he never did anything illegal or against policy but he was incompetent and lacked leadership ability. The main thing that got him canned was that complaints came from a few different people and his incompetence was linked to potential money loss. Actually, two people quit the company to work for a competitor and left a long detailed explanation that their main reason for leaving was that had lost respect for an organization that would have him in a management role.
The other factor is that I had a very good relationship with his direct superior so that when he came to ask my opinion of the situation I agreed with everything they said. The next thing I knew I was offered the position to replace him.

Not sure if that has any bearing on your situation and doubt that the same actions would have the same result there but some food for thought.

That is food for thought. I don't know if it's legal or not or even ethical but I do know that a few people in other departments feel the way way about him. The question is whether they will come out and say it or whether I can convince them it's time to act. I had a great relationship with a superior of his but it was because of him moving on to bigger and better things that led them to place this current manager in the position he is now. The whole issue here is that he is getting away with it and his superior turns a blind eye. No one to my knowledge left but he has pushed out one person to different department when this person was always known to be one of the main assets. Actually he wanted to get rid of that person but the superior I have a good relationship with engineered his move to a different department before he left.
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post #19 of 27
1/10/10 at 1:18am
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Actually he wanted to get rid of that person but the superior I have a good relationship with engineered his move to a different department before he left.
Maybe he can engineer a move for you, too.
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post #20 of 27
1/10/10 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post
Maybe he can engineer a move for you, too.

+1.

You know, I really do respect your desire to make things better but I am not really getting why you refer to this as a moral or ethical issue. Ethics and morals are highly subjective and I can't see that getting anywhere. If this is really a serious company then someone should be able to judge if he is good for business or bad for business and incompetence and stupidity are usually bad for business. You need to base any complaints on objectively defined issues such as breaking company policy or failing to hit some targets due to a lack of skills. Anything else just makes you sound like a troublemaker.
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post #21 of 27
1/10/10 at 3:14am
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+1.

You know, I really do respect your desire to make things better but I am not really getting why you refer to this as a moral or ethical issue. Ethics and morals are highly subjective and I can't see that getting anywhere. If this is really a serious company then someone should be able to judge if he is good for business or bad for business and incompetence and stupidity are usually bad for business. You need to base any complaints on objectively defined issues such as breaking company policy or failing to hit some targets due to a lack of skills. Anything else just makes you sound like a troublemaker.

Yes, there is no question that in my complaint, I will focus solely why he is bad for business. The ethics and moral aspects are only my own personal views on how he acts and treats others around him.
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post #22 of 27
1/10/10 at 3:18am
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Yes, there is no question that in my complaint, I will focus solely why he is bad for business. The ethics and moral aspects are only my own personal views on how he acts and treats others around him.

bad for business =

1. loosing money
2. harming company's reputation
3. loosing good people
4. making his boss's job harder
5. making his boss's boss's job harder

focus on those things.
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post #23 of 27
1/10/10 at 3:27am
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For anyone that works in corporate america, there is always a year end review of the past year's performance. Typically, it is your immediate manager and his manager giving you a review. I find this is one-sided. How would one progress a complaint towards a higher up then one is of the rank and file? I did an extensive google search on this subject and found the odds are stacked against the rank and file. Typically the result is this: Since it considered a breakdown and trust of communication, the rank and file person is always the one to be let go. Obviously if this involved blatant harassment on the part of the higher up, it would be different story but when the problem is that the higher up is incompetent, lacks management skills/people skills, has blantant favortism, a micromanager, is stubborn like an ox, and/or puts down his staff, what is the recourse for someone that is a rank and file to do?

I am looking for the best way to deal with this and not just the simple, Get and up and leave attitude.

I'm sorry, but the best way to deal with this is to find a new job. Trying to get your boss fired is a waste of time, reflects poorly on you and will not gain you any respect in your company. Whether you succeed or not, you will always be the whiny guy who complained about his boss.
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post #24 of 27
1/10/10 at 12:08pm
corporations usually have a venue for airing these types of complaints in confidence, either an ombudsperson or a branch of HR. that would be your first option. second, dont be so sure that his boss doesn't know his faults. i manage people who manage people in a large corporation, and i make damn sure that i know how my direct reports treat their people. my boss does the same thing with me, and always seems to know what's going on in my department. we have fired managers before (not in my dept) for no other reason than being a shitty leader. now, here's the big issue - everything in corporate america takes time. if you're not willing to wait until he wears out his welcome (or if he's solidly entrenched and no one's going to do anything) then leave. if you've aired your concerns in confidence, and have no faith that they will acted upon, then leave. don't go head to head with your boss publicly, that will always result in you losing. unless he has done something illegal or immoral and you have indisputable proof
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post #25 of 27
1/10/10 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by Bradford View Post
I'm sorry, but the best way to deal with this is to find a new job. Trying to get your boss fired is a waste of time, reflects poorly on you and will not gain you any respect in your company. Whether you succeed or not, you will always be the whiny guy who complained about his boss.
Yes, that is why I am actively looking to move to a different department. There is no question going against the higher up no matter no bad he is makes for a fruitless endeavor. But I know this guy will say has nothing good to say and will prevent me from jumping ship.
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corporations usually have a venue for airing these types of complaints in confidence, either an ombudsperson or a branch of HR. that would be your first option. second, dont be so sure that his boss doesn't know his faults. i manage people who manage people in a large corporation, and i make damn sure that i know how my direct reports treat their people. my boss does the same thing with me, and always seems to know what's going on in my department. we have fired managers before (not in my dept) for no other reason than being a shitty leader. now, here's the big issue - everything in corporate america takes time. if you're not willing to wait until he wears out his welcome (or if he's solidly entrenched and no one's going to do anything) then leave. if you've aired your concerns in confidence, and have no faith that they will acted upon, then leave. don't go head to head with your boss publicly, that will always result in you losing. unless he has done something illegal or immoral and you have indisputable proof
I wish he had done something illegal because that would be easy to prove. The immoral, incompetence etc is much harder to prove especially when there is a lot of people here that would just deal with his bullshit because they got bigger things to worry about then some douche in the office.
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post #26 of 27
1/10/10 at 6:46pm
In management are three levels. The first is managing downwards, your staff. In some way this is easy as you have a power advantage.

The second is managing laterally and this involves managing your peers. This is trickier because you have similar power.

The third is managing upwards ie managing your boss. This is the trickiest of all because he has more power. This is the area your failing at. Figure out how to manipulate this SOB.
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post #27 of 27
1/10/10 at 8:59pm
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In management are three levels. The first is managing downwards, your staff. In some way this is easy as you have a power advantage.

The second is managing laterally and this involves managing your peers. This is trickier because you have similar power.

The third is managing upwards ie managing your boss. This is the trickiest of all because he has more power. This is the area your failing at. Figure out how to manipulate this SOB.

I'm glad you mention that. Part of the reason why I started this thread was to in a correct my lacking which is the active management of a manager. There is no question that someone like him can be actively manipulated because as long as you appear to be on his side, you will have his ear. Incompetence, stubbornness and favoritism are all failings/lack of confidence and anything/anyone that appear to support him will be actively and postively received. It's sneaky in a sense but sometimes I think we have to do the proverbial fight fire with fire.
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