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post #61 of 124
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Originally Posted by Fuuma View Post
Wait, GDL is a banker, he should get one of these atrocious machines:
The 6 might be the ugliest car BMW has ever made and that includes their FIA regulations limited 2009 F1 car.
post #62 of 124
Bought a new Patek Calatrava and Schlumberger knot cufflinks some 10+yrs ago w/first bonus as a young IBer; been wearing both everyday since; can afford more costly Pateks (and cufflinks) after subsequent bonuses, but prefer elegant simplicity of Calatrava and knot links (and I'm aware that my Blkberry tells time more accurately than any Patek)

Many of my peers bought selves similar trinkets with their first bonuses...and toys chosen became more costly as our bonuses scaled up over the yrs

More mockable/asymmetric is a well-dressed guy riding in a sweaty/smelly/often unsafe subway or cab or walking slushy or humid streets to office daily...stuff routinely seen in Manhattan

As a car nut, also did the unconventional as a kid in Manhattan by commuting to office in a new AMG CL55 back then; been commuting via new AMG CLs ever since (65 these days)....and fled to CA as soon as I could, to where more fellow financiers who are car nuts tend to migrate for weather/topography that makes driving far more enjoyable

Life is too short not to enjoy one's earned money however one chooses

Most of the "puritans" are simply jealous of one's earnings achievements and relative youth

And lots of wealthy guys who brag about being cheap in their cars or clothes or tipping also spend far more money on true wealthy guy addictions like flying G550s everywhere, incl for a casual same-day round of golf (stuff allegedly frugal, value-conscious Warren from Omaha routinely does)...or costly divorces (e.g., notoriously cheap guys like Eldrick from dumpy Orlando and nearly every wealthy financier who has his first divorce in his mid-40s)
post #63 of 124
Excuse me while I puke in the corner.
post #64 of 124
I'm not even into watches and that Patek slogan is really starting to grind my gears.
post #65 of 124
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Originally Posted by LabelKing View Post
Or a Citroen SM:


Am I the only one who sees a problem buying a car whose name is the same as the German word for "lemon"?
post #66 of 124
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
Excuse me while I puke in the corner.

+1, I guess this answers the question; people can be much gaudier than the objects they purchase.
post #67 of 124
Were I a banker, I'd be rolling like this:

post #68 of 124
This thread depresses me.
post #69 of 124
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
Excuse me while I puke in the corner.

+100. That was... priceless.

Many high-end watches are overtly marketed as status-symbols, designed to let people know you have $$. Just like a Bentley, they are ugly, oversized, and so in-your-face that you cannot possibly pretend you are not wearing it for the "benefit" of other people.

I don't put Patek and the like in this category, because it is true that no one knows the brand, and will be more impressed by a $1000 designer quartz watch. But that's not saying a lot for their aesthetics.
post #70 of 124
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More mockable/asymmetric is a well-dressed guy riding in a sweaty/smelly/often unsafe subway or cab or walking slushy or humid streets to office daily...stuff routinely seen in Manhattan

Life is too short not to enjoy one's earned money however one chooses

And lots of wealthy guys who brag about being cheap in their cars or clothes or tipping also spend far more money on true wealthy guy addictions like flying G550s everywhere, incl for a casual same-day round of golf (stuff allegedly frugal, value-conscious Warren from Omaha routinely does)...or costly divorces (e.g., notoriously cheap guys like Eldrick from dumpy Orlando and nearly every wealthy financier who has his first divorce in his mid-40s)

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Excuse me while I puke in the corner.

And yet, the troll speaks a bit of truth.

- B
post #71 of 124
I think we can all (including OP) agree that the watch we are discussing is not gaudy per se, as it is a very understated and beautiful watch. Nobody will scream BLING BLING upon seeing it and most people will not even recognize it for what it is.

The interesting point (which I also believe the OP is trying to make) is whether it is gaudy to spend 20k (or over) on a watch that, at the end of the day, is a watch.

This is a forum dedicated to the appreciation (and nit-picking) of beautiful things so its members are naturally inclined to accept high prices for perceived high quality. Brands add a premium to prices while not increasing quality which is why many of us dislike over-branded items like Gucci or Versace. Naturally even the brands loved by Styleforum have branding premiums, Savile row charges higher rates than off-the-row for bespoke, for arguably similar quality. Japanese watches like Seiko (at their top range), can achieve similar quality to Swiss manufacturers a lower prices.
In essence, we all want maximum bang for our buck. To this I think we can all agree. The Patek watch in question costs so much partly due to its brand and partly due to the enormous difficulty and man-hours inherent in creating such a watch. I think an interesting question arises when the perceived quality does not match the cost of manufacture. To take it to its extreme: Imagine you were to order a clockwork cell-phone, handmade by the Dalai Lama himself. Using only cogs, minute pieces of machinery and the mysteries of Buddhism he painstakingly crafts one over the course of 20 years. You receive your cell-phone and it looks very similar to other cell-phones and operates in the same way. Only you can revel in the fact that this masterpiece only cost you the purchase of Tibet from China to procure.

However it is still just a cell-phone.

Or, a simpler example: Swiss watchmakers discover a new component that vastly improves (relatively that is) the performance of the tourbillion. The secondary super-tourbillion is insanely difficult to make, costs four times the amount of a normal tourbillion but improves watch performance by some astronomically small amount. Where does the line go? Does making things more complicated and more difficult to make (with extremely small improvements to quality) justify the tens of thousands of dollars spent on purchase?

Let's take two people:

A: Purchases a Versace limited edition jacket, with tassels, chains and sparkly stuff. Made in a purple shiny material with leather sleeves.

B: Purchases a discrete, beautiful watch that costs 10x the jacket.

Assume away the maintained value of the watch (say the jacket has collector value). The jacket bearer widely announces the cost of his jacket to everyone whereas only "people in the know" realize the value of the watch. A is left with a slightly impractical jacket and B is left with a (very) slightly impractical watch. Both spent money on items without added functionality.

Gaudiness then sort of comes down to taste.
post #72 of 124
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Gaudiness then sort of comes down to taste.
Yes.
post #73 of 124
Where do you guys go that no one knows what a Patek Phillipe is? I dont think spending alot of money on something subtle is gaudy.
post #74 of 124
If you feel a watch is just a watch, then you should probably not spend more than $100.

If you appreciate them for other reasons, than you should spend as much as you want. To me the cost does not make it gaudy.

I also do't judge what one should spend on a watch in relation to his income. Everyone has their priorities. As it has been said many times 99% of the population thinks what most here spend on clothing is foolish.
post #75 of 124
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Originally Posted by zjpj83 View Post
Well, I spoke too generally. I have a 5107, which has a flatter bezel. And it's rose gold. It's just a nice small-ish dress watch. I'm a fran.
I have this watch too, in white gold. I like it precisely because it is simple and elegant, and there's nothing about it that suggests it is expensive to the average person.
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