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post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by cpac
If the point is simply that one can get an ivy league education without learning how to dress well, that's certainly true. (Though both my fraternity and career services at Dartmouth offered education on the subject).



Tru dat. Just look at 99.9% of the professors at any such institution, many of whom probably attended a similarly ranked university, and you will understand quite well . I've heard Alan Dershowitz lecture several times at public forums, and I can tell you, a worse dressed person would be hard to find. However, if, God forbid, I am ever accused of stabbing my wife and her boyfriend to death (hell, I already own several pairs of Bruno Maglis ), there is nobody I'd rather have at my defense table!
post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by MrRogers
As a 26 year old I find the movement towards casual (read slovenly) dress very disappointing. I was reading through one of Flussers texts this weekend and he recounted a time, several decades prior, in which the New York Times offices first allowed sportcoats as suitable daily dress in liu of a suit and the controversy among the staff that resulted.
MrR

I think it is a hallmark of our generation that we find the movement towards casual disappointing (I'm about 10 years older than you).
The generation before us was quite different, just imagine your statement coming from someone who was 26 in 1968. My uncle (who was at college in the late 60's) showed up at my sister's wedding wearing a leather jacket and jeans. He still has an issue with conservative clothes and what they stood for in his days. These guys don't know how to dress and they can't care less.
Our generation does not have such an issue - if anything we have an issue with the ex hippies. In Germany at least we have an issue with our former ex-hippie teachers. Many of us believe they did not do us a good service with their "womb your inner child" attitude.
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by MrRogers
As a 26 year old I find the movement towards casual (read slovenly) dress very disappointing. I was reading through one of Flussers texts this weekend and he recounted a time, several decades prior, in which the New York Times offices first allowed sportcoats as suitable daily dress in liu of a suit and the controversy among the staff that resulted.

Contrast that to today when memo's need to be sent out to professionals reminding them that flip-flops are not suitable to see patients in.

My question is, where can we really go from here??? Is a return to formality even possible?

Somedays, I think fondly of a time in the distant future when I can dress as I do now and not receive stares or inquiries from others as to why I am dressed nicely on that particular day.

MrR


Here is what I really take issue with in your post: you equate casual to poorly dressed. I think there is well-dressed formal and sloppy formal, and the same is true for casual. flip flops and cargo pants are casual, but sloppy. However, well-fitted, designer jeans and a pair of dress boots are casual, but far from sloppy. I think that for well-dressed people, be they casual, business-casual or ultra formal, the transition between casual and formal is pretty easy, they have a good eye for what is "in" in terms of formality. It is the poorly dressed crowd in general that has the problem, not the crowd that simply chooses to dine at the Palm in jeans.
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