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The Great American Beer Debate

post #1 of 35
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This is an offshoot thread to siphon off the growing American beer debate in the WAYWRN thread in MC. I happen to agree with luftvier that there are many great American craft brews. See e.g. Dogfish Head, Bell's, North Coast, Lagunitas, Ommegang, and many more.

I open the floor to the debaters.
post #2 of 35
Ommegang = awesome.
post #3 of 35
Sounds much like the old world vs. new world wine debate. Both have their pros and cons but you are doing yourself a great disservice by not drinking one or the other based on "principle."
post #4 of 35
except old world wines > new world wines
post #5 of 35
Boulder Beer Company's Sweaty Betty tastes like Chimay. I like that...

Most American beers don't do it for me though. The flavor is never complete. Something always seems to be missing or there always seems to be way too many things going on.
post #6 of 35
The debate was based on macro-breweries (Asahi). No doubt the US has some of the best microbreweries in the world, but as I stated in the previous thread, only the US, Canada, Australia and NZ take the market semi seriously. Claiming to be one of the world leaders in a tiny niche market isn’t really that audacious.
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Craft brews represented about 6.3 billion dollars in sales in 2008. That shows that a serious interest exists in the United States for quality craft beers. Discounting American beers because all you have tasted is budweiser and coors is like me thinking all Australians carry giant knives because I have seen Crocodile Dundee.
$6.3B? The US spends $196B on beer per year (The GDP of Colombia), which isn’t even the world leader (that title belongs to China). It’s but a drop in the ocean on a global scale. World wide beer sales would probably total in excess of $1trillion annually, so what’s $6.3B? Drink on my American SF'ers!
post #7 of 35
I went to this massive 'International Beer Festival' in London a few years ago and the American booths were some of the most popular.

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The debate was based on macro-breweries (Asahi). No doubt the US has some of the best microbreweries in the world, but as I stated in the previous thread, only the US, Canada, Australia and NZ take the market semi seriously. Claiming to be one of the world leaders in a tiny niche market isn't really that audacious.



$6.3B? The US spends $196B on beer per year (The GDP of Colombia), which isn't even the world leader (that title belongs to China). It's but a drop in the ocean on a global scale. World wide beer sales would probably total in excess of $1trillion annually, so what's $6.3B?

Drink on my American SF'ers!
post #8 of 35
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I went to this massive 'International Beer Festival' in London a few years ago and the American booths were some of the most popular.

Well then, if I new such a reliable source was lurking the forums with such a fool-proof, tried and tested experiment under his belt, I should have just asked!

I believe the debate has reached a conclusion.
A "˜massive' festival suggested American stalls were "˜some' of the most popular.

\t
post #9 of 35
I think the idea of a serious debate about something so obviously subjective just seemed to me so equally pointless that I assumed the thread was eliciting person opinions and/or experience. But you know, you can get emotionally invested if you'd like.

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Well then, if I new such a reliable source was lurking the forums with such a fool-proof, tried and tested experiment under his belt, I should have just asked!

I believe the debate has reached a conclusion.
A "˜massive' festival suggested American stalls were "˜some' of the most popular.

\t
post #10 of 35
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I think the idea of a serious debate about something so obviously subjective just seemed to me so equally pointless that I assumed the thread was eliciting person opinions and/or experience. But you know, you can get emotionally invested if you'd like.
If that were the case, the thread would be called 'The Great American Beer conversation about eliciting people’s opinions and/or experience'. But it's not, its called 'Beer Debate'. Haha Settle Matt, I was just taking the piss! Where's an Englishman? They know how to laugh at themselves.
post #11 of 35
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Originally Posted by jaypee View Post
$6.3B? The US spends $196B on beer per year (The GDP of Colombia), which isn't even the world leader (that title belongs to China). It's but a drop in the ocean on a global scale. World wide beer sales would probably total in excess of $1trillion annually, so what's $6.3B?

Drink on my American SF'ers!

I have no interest in being active in a beer debate as it's far from an area of expertise (although happy to enage in wine debate any time) and many here know far more than I, but your chain of logic makes no sense. By this logic, we should dismiss Savile Row, the great Italian tailors, the great US tailors and the all of the sartorial brands we revere so here at SF because they are an even more miniscule drop in the great global clothing bucket. Beyond the obvious statement that each indivdual's best is likely to vary from others' "best," the original statement concerned the quality of a subset of American beers, not the quantity. By your logic, larger must be better, in which case let's all run out and buy glued shoes for $19.99. Burn your A&S, Oxxford, Kiton and Rubinacci SFers! They're far too small to be the best...
post #12 of 35
whats the debate? America has a long and great history of brewing beer. From the Mayflower to today. Even 13 years of prohibition could not kill brewing in America, (although it did destroy thousands of small breweries across the states and forbade the millions of homebrewers from making thier own, and resulted in the domination of lagers in the US). Many universities tuitions (Harvard, Princeton) were payable in malt, and British brewers were using American hops as early as 1860s (Bass reportably got as much as 50% of its hops from Germany and California in 1869)

Sierra Nevada, Dogfish Head, Stone, Brooklyn, Anchor, the list of great American microbrews is huge.

So what exactly is the problem? I hear people say things like all American ales are too hoppy, or too strong, or in generall not as balanced as thier British counterparts and this can be said of certain styles but thats what makes them unique. By definition an American IPA is bigger and more bitter than an English IPA, but that doesn't mean all IPAs made in the US are this style, you can find a British style IPA in America, or a German-style Alt, or a Belgian style, or nearly any style.

I think people that dismiss American beer are just not looking hard enough to find the good ones.
post #13 of 35
I favor Guinness myself in the winter, but Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout is a hell of a brew.

What are we debating again?
post #14 of 35
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I favor Guinness myself in the winter, but Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout is a hell of a brew.

What are we debating again?

Mmmmmm Guiness.

I don't know what we're debating but I'm more than willing to taste test all these beers...you know, for the sake of the thread.
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Mmmmmm Guiness.

I don't know what we're debating but I'm more than willing to taste test all these beers...you know, for the sake of the thread.

The Guinness Anniversary Stout is damn good, too. Taste-test a six-pack of that, if you get the chance.
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