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post #91 of 328
i have a simple solution. allow 1000 threads on the first page
post #92 of 328
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Originally Posted by trader View Post
+1

i'm purely a buyer and sometimes i have a hard time sleeping at night cause i'm worried sellers will start using ebay instead

ok, not that extreme but you get the picture. recently sellers were saying they were having more success on ebay (quicker movement and higher prices). thats not good for the B&S buyers...

A large part of what seems to be driving sellers here to ebay is less visibility here.. not sure what's causing that but I do notice that FS threads are getting less and less views before dropping off the first page. In the end, factors like this will drive sellers to Ebay faster.

I concurrently list things on ebay that I have here, because there's no penalty for ending an ebay listing early (if an item sells here for example), other than losing your insertion fee.

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Originally Posted by nyarkies View Post
I agree with this to an extent. As more of a buyer here, I hate these kind of threads WITHOUT any pictures of the item. Members will of course bump this thread by asking for pictures of the item then will be bumped again when the pictures have been added by the seller. Pictures, even if they are low res, should be included.

That's a tough call. Many sellers will see something in a store that is a good deal and have limited time to pull the trigger. But I do agree that there should be some clear guidance on what is allowed for an "IC" thread.

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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post
Couldnt agree more Doc. Although folks have the right to ask what they want, I think the only thing to do is mandate at least a 10% reduction per price drop.

10% forced drop would be a bad move imo. If you really want inflated starting prices, then this will surely cause that to happen. Guaranteed.

Overall I try to steer clear of using the "sold" line to bump a thread, but have been guilty of it, and normally I only do it when concurrently dropping a price.

I favor the multi-item threads. What hurts is when there's so many items, that it becomes difficult to accurately title the thread, esp. with sizes. Buyers want to know EXACTLY what's in a thread by looking at the title, including the size available, and that's really hard to do when you're listing 20+ items of various types. I wonder if there's any way to allow more characters in the title of a thread??

The benefit though, is that buyers get to see many items at once, it reduces wasted space on B&S, and it helps sellers by allowing them to bump many items at once for a price drop.
post #93 of 328
I've been reading this thread with great interest. So let me derail it, and ask you what you would like if and when Styleforum Marketplace does come into being. Would set prices for services allow the market to regulate all of these problems to the benefit of both the sellers and the buyers?

For example, there would be no listing fees, but all sales would have a final transaction fee based on the selling price. There would simply be a % fee charged on checkout. Bumps would be allowed, but would cost, say, $1 per bump, and answers to questions, or changes to your post (say, to add figures) would not bump the thread. That way, bumps would only be profitable if you think that you have a high value item that deserves a lot of attention, and would make discussions like the one in this thread moot. If you decide to post Ebay Auctions, that would be fine, (you could put up a "proxy" item), but your thread would be quickly relegated to the 10th page unless you bump (for a price) frequently, and so on.

Please discuss the merits and demerits of different systems. What is the Styleforum B&S worth to you? How do we create a system that improves on what we have already?

Fok.
post #94 of 328
I read thru about 80% of all the replies here in this thread. As a buyer, I work with what this system offers because I know it must be a pain in the ass to police effectively.

With that being said, I usually go thru at LEAST 3 pages each time I check in for new deals. And I check every day, for the most part, since I joined. Sellers hate having their stuff bumped down off the first page, but I personally think motivated buyers will find what they're looking for even if it's a few pages back.

If all this were to be fixed, you'd practically have to ban the following:

1) Bullshit "ebay sales notices" with no incentive for a forum member, it's just free advertising to the perfect market, for the seller.

2) Bump for "pics added"

3) Bump for "measurments added"

4) You can see where I'm going with this.... Bumping your pathetically inept thread that had little useful information to begin with, just so you can always send it to the top by adding details that should have been there to begin with.

5) Bump for Sold. Don't give a shit. If I want it, I'll find out if it's still available.

6) Answering questions that can be answered via PM. It's obviousl when you are answering a question that many people might ask, it's another to be answering a single question just for the free bump...

So, with all that said, I don't imagine any of the above being enforced properly, and that is no slight to the moderators here, it's just to big a task.


But most off all, I really think the ebay listings need to go.. I can go to ebay and search thank you very much..

All in all, I still return to find good deals here, and have done so, at least twice a month for the last 2+ years, so the system can't be that bad..
post #95 of 328
+11111 on what chips and some of others have said. The SF B&S is a great place, is it possible to give a few people who visit the site quite frequently the privilege to lock threads that violated the policies. i have used the "XXX have sold" to bump my sale threads, and i would no longer use it for my future sales after reading this post. my apologies to other sellers. I think that conversations should be limited on sale threads, so threads like the YOOX $89 RLs do not stay on the front page for a week. Other users' replies on a thread should only be allowed, if they provide some useful information to buyers about the goods in the sale thread.
post #96 of 328
This is one of the best maintained B&S for clothing that I've ever been to. I trust this site more than any other, and it's the only place where I'm willing to do a few "personal payments" as an effect of that trust. The "no free bump" rules make perfect sense as well and keeps the forum uncluttered (really, I do not want to see threads with 70+ replies from them all trying to pawn the same two items).

"SOLD" bumps definitely qualify as a way of cheating free bumping. I support the "price drops bumps" only rule.
post #97 of 328
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Since the ebay sales thing keeps getting mentioned here, and since I do it, I'll give a sellers take on it. While I know many don't agree with having ebay sales mentioned here, I obviously disagree.
  • Lots of members want to use eBay because of trust issues. On a number of occasions I have PM'd a SF price and a more expensive eBay price and they take the eBay price because they want the extra safety net
  • You can really explicitly offer members a 'better deal' because its against ebay TOS and can get you banned. It got to be implied. I generally state in my threads 'PM for best price'
  • I've got about 1000 concurrent listings on ebay, its hard for me to keep stuff strait in 2 places. On a few occasions I double sold which pisses buyers off. For me the use of ebay thru SF is a way to see pics and see my asking price, the intention is for folks to PM me and get a better deal... generally this is what happens. I see no reason why this is wrong. If you dont want to do the extra click to see the photos, dont do it.
  • I never do any of this "1 day left stuff" (my shit is BIN anyway) and dont think anyone should, but its fair to announce an auction 1 time. Again, people like buying thru members. I've personally bought thru these announcements
  • Being a regular poster here, I generally know the kind of stuff members are looking for, and I post BIN links to those... lots of people, for example, want vintage wool ties. My intention is to offer them as soon as they are ready so members get a first take. I am not announcing Van Heusen.
  • The wool ties are very popular on ebay too, they sell fast, some dork on P1 posted all my bumps but failed to mention that I was adding 10-20 ties at a time, and the bumps took place over the course of 20 DAYS. I listed over 260 wool ties, so the way he went about the post was misleading. I try to follow the rules and felt it appropriate to bump my thread when I had a reasonable body of new stuff to announce. No different from someone adding a suit, shirt or pair of shoes to their existing thread.
  • Also, ^^ the way threads are structured you really expect me to post 260 ties in a thread? Come on.
  • The marketplace matters: many, many members buy my stuff the way I sell it and have no complaints about the click to ebay. If you dont want to buy this way, dont.
  • It might make sense to have a rule that makes it clear in the title that a click to ebay is needed to see pics and prices, but members should also know the stuff is available thru the fora
post #98 of 328
Then I would be in favor of a sub-form dedicated to Ebay auctions/links. It is merely pushing the sales threads that I'd actually be interested in looking at off the page.

Admittedly should this be implemented I'd never visit the Ebay sub-forum as I visit Ebay every day anyway. No sense in the redundancy that exist now with seeing the items on Ebay and then having to wade through them here.
post #99 of 328
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
Please discuss the merits and demerits of different systems. What is the Styleforum B&S worth to you? How do we create a system that improves on what we have already?
Hey Fok, One of the reasons I stopped creating exclusive threads and moves all my listings to ebay with links is because it seems like a one shot deal... it either gets sold or doesnt in the first few hours before it gets bumped down. It was effective for the most highly sought after stuff but didnt work for the rest. So it worked best for me to offer the stuff up, and then give it to the proles on ebay where it does get longer term visibility. I think this is what is happening to others as well and is the source for bumping problems. No visibility. So, for me, this is the first problem to solve. So, how can visibility be increased? Some thoughts: [*] Stuff by seller, type, and size organized in a way users will use it. Yes, we have labels, but this is obviously not enough since we have a problem. If stuff were off the front page and was still selling, people would not bump. [*] Subfora although the con here is what do folks that have stuff across multiple types do? Well, what happened when MC and DS were created? I'm sure folks have jeans and suits in a thread back then. Same thing, an adjustment. [*] Sale fees will be hard to police [*] Insertion fees or bump fee might work, but I think less stuff will be offered up for sale b/c of it
post #100 of 328
i think giving sellers the ability to lock and unlock their own threads after everything is sold would be nice. if they have to relist they can just unlock it. and if someone has a question after its been locked they can just pm them like "if you can find more PM me", and the annoying "is it still available????", and one that i'm guilty of, "oh man i was too late". but that probably means you would have to give them some kind of superior mod status...
post #101 of 328
I am appalled at the amount of whining. WHY ARE WE TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BROKEN?!?!?!!?!?!?!??! This is a free EFFing service that us sellers are using for personal gain without a penny forked over. Why the need for all this mod involvement/rule whoring and completely useless banter about a system that's been working fine? YES its not fricking perfect, but ITS FREE AND IT WORKS Deal with it for god's sake. Drives me up a mo' effin' wall.
post #102 of 328
I think the fee for a bump and/or insertion would be a bad idea since it creates a disincentive for a price drop. The current price drop in a bump rule is awesome because it benefits both buyers and sellers.

The fees would also kill those who are looking to do "closet clearings" or list one item they want to sell. Paypal and Ebay have me by the balls already, and that's why I love the forum since the fees are minimized. It benefits both buyers and sellers again to have no fees associated with selling.

What I'd like to see less of, and I'm guilty of it myself, is the good 'ol boy network of bumping threads because you like the seller, i.e. "Hey great stuff, this is teh big time, you gotta buy from this seller right now!!!11oneone!1" -- We already have a B&S Feedback thread where you can search for any seller's name in that thread to find positive remarks.

We really need to limit bumps to only:
  • 5% price drops
  • new additions to your FS thread
  • informative questions/informative answers

We need to eliminate comments like "pm sent" or "wow, that's a super pair of shoes" or "hey I got my suit today, thanks!" which really runs rampant at times. This might call for the seller to be the only one who can post in a thread, and force people to use pms more often - a sacrifice I can deal with to eliminate the silly bumps.

Sellers should be limited to the number of threads they can have stuff in. Seeing one seller with 5 threads, each with 5 items, all bumped to the top page at once, is ridiculous.

And finally, this is the big one in my opinion: Maximize the number of characters allowed in the Title of the Thread, so that multiple item threads are more highly encouraged. This will also benefit buyers who seek more accurate titles to include sizes they want.
post #103 of 328
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Originally Posted by furo View Post
I think the fee for a bump and/or insertion would be a bad idea since it creates a disincentive for a price drop. The current price drop in a bump rule is awesome because it benefits both buyers and sellers. The fees would also kill those who are looking to do "closet clearings" or list one item they want to sell. Paypal and Ebay have me by the balls already, and that's why I love the forum since the fees are minimized. It benefits both buyers and sellers again to have no fees associated with selling. What I'd like to see less of, and I'm guilty of it myself, is the good 'ol boy network of bumping threads because you like the seller, i.e. "Hey great stuff, this is teh big time, you gotta buy from this seller right now!!!11oneone!1" -- We already have a B&S Feedback thread where you can search for any seller's name in that thread to find positive remarks. We really need to limit bumps to only:
  • 5% price drops
  • new additions to your FS thread
  • informative questions/informative answers
We need to eliminate comments like "pm sent" or "wow, that's a super pair of shoes" or "hey I got my suit today, thanks!" which really runs rampant at times. This might call for the seller to be the only one who can post in a thread, and force people to use pms more often - a sacrifice I can deal with to eliminate the silly bumps. Sellers should be limited to the number of threads they can have stuff in. Seeing one seller with 5 threads, each with 5 items, is ridiculous. And finally, this is the big one in my opinion: Maximize the number of characters allowed in the Title of the Thread, so that multiple item threads are more highly encouraged. This will also benefit buyers who seek more accurate titles to include sizes they want.
please stop coming up with brilliant ideas. If you really need some encouragement to stop then read this. nothing is being eliminated because nothing will be done about all these ridic ideas and fo good reason. *edit* furo, I'm not just singling your dumb ideas out., I just quoted yours out of convenience because I dont' have the patience to quote all the dumb ass ideas in the threak.
post #104 of 328
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Originally Posted by FStyles View Post
please stop coming up with brilliant ideas.

If you really need some encouragement to stop then read this.


nothing is being eliminated because nothing will be done about all these ridic ideas.

Actually I think making the seller the only person allowed to post in a FS thread would clear a lot of this BS up, and fast. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Price drop-bump rules would also be easier to enforce, since the OP is the only one posting in a thread.

It would make the mods work less, not more.
post #105 of 328
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Originally Posted by furo View Post
Actually I think making the seller the only person allowed to post in a FS thread would clear a lot of this BS up, and fast. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Price drop-bump rules would also be easier to enforce, since the OP is the only one posting in a thread. It would make the mods work less, not more.
Not a bad idea. It could also be that the OP is the only bump that would bring the listing to the top. Postings by other members would not bump the thread to the top, but would allow for discussion. This way, a BS bump by the OP would be easy to flag.
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