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post #211 of 328
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
My question is, where would they go? If there is competition out there, then that is something that we would certainly be interested in seeing - seeing how the competition measures up, and seeing how we can offer something better. Certainly, I don't see Ebay is being competition, since there would be no cost to an initial offering here. We want to make our B&S the best available option on the market.

You seem to be concentrating on the big, active sellers - which makes sense from your stated purpose of paying the rent and I'm sure an equitable arrangement will develop for that constituency.

The aforementioned small, occasional seller or the buyer who bought an item here and wants to resell it due to size, etc. will probably just drop out, and the B&S forum will be the worse for it.
post #212 of 328
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Originally Posted by jhcam8 View Post
You seem to be concentrating on the big, active sellers - which makes sense from your stated purpose of paying the rent and I'm sure an equitable arrangement will develop for that constituency.

The aforementioned small, occasional seller or the buyer who bought an item here and wants to resell it due to size, etc. will probably just drop out, and the B&S forum will be the worse for it.

When I see an item I like on B&S, I am quick to pull the trigger and pay. A tremendous part of the reason why I am so free with my money is because I know I can easily sell the item back on B&S if it doesn't fit, etc. Buyers will likely hunker down and become more reluctant to buy if the risk of being stuck with an item (or selling it at a loss) increases.
post #213 of 328
Just read the last few pages...not a fan of paying to bump your item. Again, this will segregate the high volume sellers from the rest of us. For sellers who earn thousands of dollars per month here whats $20 a week to keep their threads at the top? For a seller like me, who doesn't make much at all (basically selling gently used stuff at a FRACTION of what the big guns charge) I wouldn't be able to afford to pay for bumps. Even a dollar a bump, because I know, no matter what, the big guys would get their stuff up top anyway. As far as where would people go, Ask Andy has a Sales forum thats free if you have x amount of posts. Sure the traffic there is far less, and a different clientel, but something like that (even on a small scale) would only hurt SF. If we really are serious about cleaning up B&S (the only real source to sell online without charge), we need to keep the B&S only for items SOLD. I've seen a Merry Christmas thread in here, this thread, a SLL ME STUFF thread, PSA threads on sales that should be moved to another part of the forum...or a created one. If you're thinking about setting up a snitch system...why don't people simply report inappropriate posts, or bumps now? Just my two cents, but if we go with with paying to bump your thread, I prob wouldn't sell here...I follow the existing rules, and so should everyone else, especially now that they're clarified. Edit*** its not even that overwhelming that people support locking a no drop bump if you look at the poll
post #214 of 328
And now there's another WTB in the Sales thread...
post #215 of 328
As a fairly active buyer (and sometime seller) I really dislike the self-bumping of threads by sellers. Essentially, all communications should be done through PMs, that is what they are for.

I would recommend that sellers can't post in their own threads unless they are doing one of the following:

1) Reducing prices on items by at least 10%
2) Adding new items to a sales thread

No thanking people for admiring their items, no I have posted the measurements or pictures, etc.

If someone asks a question, answer via PM. If something sells, edit the thread and mark it sold. If a sale falls through, again, edit the thread...you get the idea.
post #216 of 328
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Originally Posted by aportnoy View Post
I would recommend that sellers can't post in their own threads unless they are doing one of the following: 1) Reducing prices on items by at least 10% 2) Adding new items to a sales thread No thanking people for admiring their items, no I have posted the measurements or pictures, etc.
With respect to the high volume sellers, I totally agree with aportnoy here. There are tons of things I have seen sellers do that are obviously meant to bump the thread and nothing more. The easiest thing for management to do would be to prevent chatty/useless posts from bumping threads. Easy to say, though, since in management's world it's the high vol sellers who drive the sales sections. I also agree with NYR above that paying for bumps favors high vol sellers. At busy times, when casual sellers would want their thread on the front page, paying for a bump would result in their thread being near the top for all of 15 minutes.
post #217 of 328
Hmmm... so, it seems that the main concern about the proposed new system would be that small sellers would be at a big disadvantage.

Do you guys think that the solution might be to make the "pinned thread" option a more financially viable route for the big sellers (and also offer additional services for those sellers, like increased PM box sizes, which would further increase the benefits of buying into that system), so that small sellers would not have to compete with as many of the big guns? Remember that under the new system, we'd probably also increase the number of threads on each page as well.
post #218 of 328
I think that would be better. No one should be disadvantaged because they can't pay to keep their thread up. If you offered a premium service for those who want it, I think that would be very fair. At the same time, I think repeat offenders of the rules should at least get temp bans from the B&S market, so there should be stricter enforcement of the rules.
post #219 of 328
This all seems very simple to me. We all know who the mainstay sellers are (they are basically here to sell items for profit) and who the people that are trying to recoup or pass on an item that doesn't work for them on to another member (the buyers who will not try to weasel out of a deal because of buyer's remorse or fit issues, or simply something they no longer have use for). The two should be segregated at the hands of the public at large. If a person's activity is mostly in the B&S section, they should pay a premium for listing their wares. The others should be able to list for free. I think this would quell the taking advantage of PSAs, and the like. The main reason I don't buy many items listed on B&S is because I know I can get to the store the seller bought it at and get it for the price they paid. Most of the items I have purchased have been from buyers who either no longer have a need for the item or it just doesn't work for them. The people who list stuff and blatantly state, "last bump before I return the item" or "latest Saks, Marshalls, Daffy's, Nordstrom haul" should be charged. Period.
post #220 of 328
Thinking out loud here, but maybe some options - There seems to be a clear difference in needs between the occasional seller (closet cleaning once or twice a month, etc) and a high volume seller (new items at least once a week). What do you think about reconfiguring the structure of the B&S section by dividing it into a storefront section for high volume sellers and a section for one offs? The "store" section of the site would have options for pinning on the marquee, 1000 messages in the PM box, and maybe 50 or 100 items on the front page. A monthly nominal fee could be applied to list in the "store" section, where the one-off section would operate largely as it is now, fee free. Storefront sellers could have the option for a $1 bump to advertise drops, new items, etc. One off sellers can bump their items for free, but would have a limit of times per thread before it is locked, to prevent any gaming. To clear up other technicalities, you can create another subfora for PSAs and ICs. When clicking on the "Buying and Selling" tab from the main page, you can have the option to choose which subfora to browse, or you can browse all new messages posted on one main page (so exposure is not limited to anyone who cant understand which tab to click). Again, Im not sure how viable or possible any of this is, just thinking out loud. Anyone agree/disagree?
post #221 of 328
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Originally Posted by bigbris1 View Post
This all seems very simple to me.

We all know who the mainstay sellers are (they are basically here to sell items for profit) and who the people that are trying to recoup or pass on an item that doesn't work for them on to another member (the buyers who will not try to weasel out of a deal because of buyer's remorse or fit issues, or simply something they no longer have use for).

Who are they? I'm not sure if I count as a "mainstay" seller or as a smalltimer.

I will say this: As a buyer, I'm not interested in someone's used shirt. Not gonna buy their used trou or used shoes. Not even going to buy their used suit. For the most part, I want NWT stuff. And, as a seller, that's what I generally find the most demand for. Like it or not, most of the NWT stuff is going to come with a markup. I know that chaps you, Bris, but that's just the way it is. As a buyer, I want that stuff, and I think we should be careful not to persecute those who offer it to us.
post #222 of 328
Some good ideas in the last few posts...

The main difference between the occasional seller and the pro is that the occasional usually sells gently worn items at a much lower price. The pro's generally sell NWT, still at great discount, but when compared to the occasional's prices and items, much more expensive.

Perhaps simply creating a NWT fora and a "Thrift Store" fora would help. I think that would also help prospective buyers as well...I know, even for most NWT stuff, I can't afford it anyway, so I'd look for stuff thats gently worn, as I know most members who post here, like me, take very good care of their stuff.

Just thinking out loud really...but certainly stricter enforcement of thread bumps would be start.
post #223 of 328
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Originally Posted by NewYorkRanger View Post
Perhaps simply creating a NWT fora and a "Thrift Store" fora would help. I think that would also help prospective buyers as well...I know, even for most NWT stuff, I can't afford it anyway, so I'd look for stuff thats gently worn, as I know most members who post here, like me, take very good care of their stuff.

Sounds like a good idea. I think part of the issue is that we have two audiences -- folks who want bargains on vintage/used stuff in good condition from sometimes sellers, and those who want NWT stuff at bargain prices.
post #224 of 328
The thread started with pointing out a wrong tactic that is being used by certain sellers to bump their threads. Along the way multiple posters have pointed out certain simple steps that can be taken in order to block such aforementioned sellers from "gaming" the system. Why don't we first just start penalizing these sellers and leave complicated changes to the system for later? By doing the former you might just solve 99% of the issues that seem to cause grief to many buyers and sellers both on B&S and the latter may not be needed at all.
post #225 of 328
Doc, you've misread my post. Think about it, how many times have you bought a NWT item only to have it not fit and not have the luxury of returning it to the seller? How many people have donated NWT items? Just because someone is an occasional seller, doesn't mean he's offering used items. I have a pair of Varvatos pants for sale right now that are NWT. I have not worn them. I have offered a lot of items NWT that were unworn. I just bought a Polo Bradford whose trousers didn't fit me. I was able to send it back to the seller for a refund, but what if he had a no refund policy? I would have offered it here. See my point?
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