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post #196 of 328
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
Under this new implementation, listings would not be bumped by new posts, but only when the seller decides to pay for a bump.

I could get behind this.
post #197 of 328
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Originally Posted by furo View Post
Sounds fair to me. So would the bump still require a price drop? Or you can bump for any reason under the sun?

Well, you could bump for any reason under the sun. It would effectively allow sellers to determine their own selling strategies, and the market to determine how effective that strategy is. For example, a seller might decide that the reason his item is not being sold is not because of price, but because of lack of exposure. So, he might decide to bump without a price drop. If he is wrong, of course, it's his money wasted. He would have to decide how much money he is willing to spend on bumps before a price drop is warranted.
post #198 of 328
If people had to pay, the majority of sellers would just flock to other forums.
post #199 of 328
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Originally Posted by nahneun View Post
If people had to pay, the majority of sellers would just flock to other forums.

+1 I think thats part of the reason there is so much frequency on B&S.
post #200 of 328
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Originally Posted by nahneun View Post
If people had to pay, the majority of sellers would just flock to other forums.

Which other forums? Genuinely interested. Pretty much everyone but us has some sort of revenue stream set up in their B&S.
post #201 of 328
I'm all for it. How much for a bump and how will the fees be collected?

As far as sellers leaving, that's fine. Will be less competition and my threads will stay up front longer
post #202 of 328
I'm liking the sound of it, though I'm somewhat concerned about paying for a listing only to have it pushed off the front in 15 minutes. I hope there's some measure to guarantee at least a bit of exposure.

Is the fee by thread or by item? I'm hoping the former, to discourage so many threads.
post #203 of 328
I am not sure of the exact configuration, but it seems that while "by item" might be the most fair way, "by thread" would encourage sellers to make the most of their listing, since there would, under this system, be absolutely no free bumps. This way, making 100 listings would not really be an advantageous way to game the system, and sellers with lots of nice, but individually less expensive, items, would not be disadvantaged. In answer to Doc Holliday's concern, we would probably increase the number of threads per page. Also, there would be no initial listing fees, so there would be no disincentive for sellers to list, regardless of how fast the forum is moving. There would also remain the "pinned" thread option (which is presently available for $50/week, and limited to 10 users per week), which would be useful to high volume sellers who would rather keep their thread in the marquee spot rather than having to bump their thread (with uncertain results) every half day or whatever. Since there are no initial listing fees, there ought to be no disincentive for sellers. But there would be an incentive for high volume sellers to use the system (if you are selling 100s of items, a $1 bump fee or a $50/week pinned thread fee is pretty minimal compared to say, Ebay). And also, sellers would be allowed to assign a number of tags to their threads, so it would make sellers think long and hard about what they should choose, and make that system more effective as well. We want to modify the existing system to add value, not just charge for what you already enjoy. I believe in the free market. But someone has got to pay for the... mall?
post #204 of 328
The 100 listings, though, would garner more exposure, especially if initial listings are free and bumps cost money. (Also, multi-item threads, in my experience, require many more bumps than single-item threads, so that might be reason to avoid them.) Seems like there'd have to be some method to keep people from just relisting items to avoid paying for bumps.

I guess a desire to avoid paying for bumps to multiple threads would be a good reason not to make so many threads. But I hope there will be methods in place to keep people from gaming the system. (I'm sure you guys are thinking about this stuff already, so I'm just tossing that out there.)
post #205 of 328
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
The 100 listings, though, would garner more exposure, especially if initial listings are free and bumps cost money. (Also, multi-item threads, in my experience, require many more bumps than single-item threads, so that might be reason to avoid them.) Seems like there'd have to be some method to keep people from just relisting items to avoid paying for bumps.

There would be something like a 60 injunction from reposting items. The "pay a really high fine ($300 per transgression, within 24 hours)" or be banned permanently would be the way of dissuading people breaking that particular rule. And it could be applied at any time. Since the contents of the OP could not actually be deleted, a seller could get dinged weeks, months, years down the road, and there would be no statute of limitations. This would mean that anyone wanting to stay a while would do well to play by the rules. I think that we'd even have a snitch hotline. The successful snitch would get 10% finders fee. hehe.

I thought about the 100 item thread vs. 100 individual items items, and concluded that if someone was industrious enough to post 100 individual socks, then more power to them, especially since, without a bump, those would be on page 10 in less than half a day. Thoughts?
post #206 of 328
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
Seems like there'd have to be some method to keep people from just relisting items to avoid paying for bumps.

But at what point is it called "reposting an item" vs. having one or two items left in a thread, closing it and adding said items to a new large thread?
post #207 of 328
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
I thought about the 100 item thread vs. 100 individual items items, and concluded that if someone was industrious enough to post 100 individual socks, then more power to them, especially since, without a bump, those would be on page 10 in less than half a day. Thoughts?

On first blush and based on what you've said, I'd definitely be more inclined to make single-item threads than multiple. A specifically titled thread devoted to a single item would get more exposure, and having multiple free threads on the front page could be an effective sales technique. (Right now, I do multi-item threads mostly out of forum courtesy.) But, at the same time, I would be incensed if everyone did this and my thread got knocked off the first page in 15 minutes -- especially if I paid to bring it back and it was again knocked off in 15 minutes.

I don't mind paying for exposure, but I would want exposure in exchange for my money.
post #208 of 328
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Originally Posted by nahneun View Post
If people had to pay, the majority of sellers would just flock to other forums.

+1

I haven't read this thread for a week, and was just curious.

You do realize that apparently the only people still participating in this discussion are the high-volume sellers, yes?

Don't think the occasional seller trying to flock a tie or other accessory at a low price would still be posting here if they had to pay for bumps or vanish off the face of the earth (out of visibility and people's attention) in a few hours.

But that's the stuff I (and probably many others) are looking for here.

Cheap offers by occasional sellers. Haven't bought anything from a big-time seller yet.

Wouldn't probably keep following the B&S here if only the big guys were left. Simply because the big items (worth paying for a bump) aren't what I'm looking for.
post #209 of 328
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Originally Posted by Aspendos View Post
Don't think the occasional seller trying to flock a tie or other accessory at a low price would still be posting here if they had to pay for bumps or vanish off the face of the earth (out of visibility and people's attention) in a few hours.

My question is, where would they go? If there is competition out there, then that is something that we would certainly be interested in seeing - seeing how the competition measures up, and seeing how we can offer something better. Certainly, I don't see Ebay is being competition, since there would be no cost to an initial offering here. We want to make our B&S the best available option on the market.

DocH and whursurdadi, I see your points. One option that I did think about was a system in which X number of threads within Y days would be free, but after that, there would be an insertion fee greater than the bump fee. The desired effect would be that sellers would not feel pressured to put everything in one thread, but that it would be to their best advantage to put things into appropriate categories. It would also mean the reposting would not be financially feasible (since you only get, say, 5 free threads every few weeks (high volume sellers, please comment on how many threads you currently use, and what you see as a fair number of new threads in say, a month).

Really, we are trying to optimize the combination of traffic, ease-of-administration, and profit. The current system is, frankly, a PITA to administer.

These are all things that we are thinking about, and I really appreciate your comments. Please keep them coming. On
post #210 of 328
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
One option that I did think about was a system in which X number of threads within Y days would be free, but after that, there would be an insertion fee greater than the bump fee.

If this were easy to do I think it would be a great solution, along with a no bump (at all) board. To be perfectly honest, I get somewhat irked seeing the same threads popping to the top due to senseless bumps. All of the "can you get that in blue?" or "do you have that in a 8 1/2D?" or "very nice stuff!" or whatever just seems kind of retarded, to me. And if a seller doesn't realize that specifics (like measurements!) are important to buyers, then their thread deserves to fall into obscurity (any questions can be answered via PM). I know some have said they find information and some of the back and forth in B&S as being useful, and I agree to a point, but that is what we have the other forums for. Bumping in B&S has very little legitimacy IMHO and it seems to cause too many problems.

I'm just grateful for the opportunities provided. Carry on!
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