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post #106 of 328
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Originally Posted by furo View Post
1) Actually I think making the seller the only person allowed to post in a FS thread would clear a lot of this BS up, and fast. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

2) Price drop-bump rules would also be easier to enforce, since the OP is the only one posting in a thread.

It would make the mods work less, not more.

1) You should create your own forum that does this cause its not happening here.

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QUOTE: Furo:It would make the mods work less, not more.

2) Just the fact that your suggesting this as an action item would make the mods work more than they already do.

How are they being bothered as it is now!?!??!?!!??!?!?!
post #107 of 328
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Originally Posted by FStyles View Post
1) You should create your own forum that does this cause its not happening here.



2) Just the fact that your suggesting this as an action item would make the mods work more than they already do.

How are they being bothered as it is now!?!??!?!!??!?!?!

It's not an issue of being "bothered" it's an issue of creating fairness and simplicity on this board. My suggestion allows for both of the above to be accomplished.

If you have such an aversion to it, fine. But you're not a mod here. So I really don't care.
post #108 of 328
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post
Not a bad idea.

It could also be that the OP is the only bump that would bring the listing to the top. Postings by other members would not bump the thread to the top, but would allow for discussion.

This way, a BS bump by the OP would be easy to flag.

That would work as well, good suggestion.
post #109 of 328
Again, I'd like to chime in that it really seems like everyone is chasing symptoms instead of causes. For me (95% buyer, 5% seller): thread poasts should not have any relation to thread visibility. The fact that they do is what causes poast vs. front page gaming. Maybe with one single exception: price drops (which are the same thing as a re-list with a new price). Fok: if we're blue-sky thinking about this: Visibility should a result of people searching for what they want: newly listed, newly price dropped, or best match (via tags, or better search engine). That means there isn't really a common "front page" any longer, since it depends on what people are searching for. Any posts to an entry, other than a price drop (which would naturally affect a "recent drop" search) shouldn't affect position in search results. This setup doesn't handle well the idea of threads with ever growing/changing listings - but that's what ebay-like "stores" are for: a seller has multiple listings under their roof. Not trying to make us more ebay like, but all the problems listed in this thread revolve around trying to force a forum into a marketplace. While we may dislike lots of aspects of ebay transactions, there's a reason why their volume is so high: thte mechanics work well (enough) for both buyers and sellers.
post #110 of 328
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Originally Posted by furo View Post
It's not an issue of being "bothered" it's an issue of creating fairness and simplicity on this board. My suggestion allows for both of the above to be accomplished. If you have such an aversion to it, fine. But you're not a mod here. So I really don't care.
Dude, its not that I have an 'aversion" to your idea or anyone else's specific idea. (and, to your point, correct, it wouldn't matter if I did anyway). I'm sure a lot of decent "ideas" have come out of many SF threads over the years and incl in this thread. Its the same amount of ideas as suggested in this thread that made ebay what it is today: Expensive Bureaucratic a real PITA to sell What I don't understand is if all these buyers and sellers are here doing business as it stands today, why is there so much desire to change? sellers: You're making money without paying the man. buyers: You're buying great stuff at low prices due to this Its very clear cut that if things DO start to change (like the enforcement/rules/regulations/processes suggested here) it will;be done at OUR expense. What is there to whine about?
post #111 of 328
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Originally Posted by FStyles View Post
What I don't understand is if all these buyers and sellers are here doing business as it stands today, why is there so much desire to change?

What is there to whine about?



I actually think the current system is almost perfect. A small tweak like only allowing the OP to post in a FS thread, or idfnl's similar suggestion of only allowing the OP to bump to the top for a price drop, is a simplistic way to create more parity on this board with minimal work. Certainly it would make moderation easier, not harder. Spotting a bullshit bump would be pretty damn simple. And it seems the major gripe here is with bullshit bumps that make it beneficial to some, but unfair to others.
post #112 of 328
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Originally Posted by furo View Post
I actually think the current system is almost perfect. A small tweak like only allowing the OP to post in a FS thread, or ifdnl's similar suggestion of only allowing the OP to bump to the top for a price drop, is a simplistic way to create more parity on this board with minimal work. Certainly it would make moderation easier, not harder. Spotting a bullshit bump would be pretty damn simple. And it seems the major gripe here is with bullshit bumps that make it beneficial to some, but unfair to others.

I never thought I'd use this smiley, but "we can do all day.

What makes your small tweak better than anyone's else's small tweaks? There are so many of these "tiny" ideas presented to the powers that be that keeping up would need a separate mod.

I think our mods like any mods are keen to necessary changes and would implement as needed.
post #113 of 328
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Originally Posted by FStyles View Post
Dude, its not that I have an 'aversion" to your idea or anyone else's specific idea. (and, to your point, correct, it wouldn't matter if I did anyway). I'm sure a lot of decent "ideas" have come out of many SF threads over the years and incl in this thread. Its the same amount of ideas as suggested in this thread that made ebay what it is today: Expensive Bureaucratic a real PITA to sell What I don't understand is if all these buyers and sellers are here doing business as it stands today, why is there so much desire to change? sellers: You're making money without paying the man. buyers: You're buying great stuff at low prices due to this Its very clear cut that if things DO start to change (like the enforcement/rules/regulations/processes suggested here) it will;be done at OUR expense. What is there to whine about?
I wouldnt call it whining unless you are a healthcare industry lobbyist in your job. You are one of the better sellers, dont poo by calling us whiners. I think the community has grown to the point where some adjustments are warranted. Whether thru numbers or finding different ways to game B & S. I believe that only changes should be instituted that help both buyer and seller. Ebay's fatal mistake was going so seller-centric. That was the intention behind the OP, get rid of sold bumps once and for all helps everyone.
post #114 of 328
Is there really anything new to be said anymore?

Enough already?
post #115 of 328
ok, idfnl/furo and the rest of the SF seller'dom: I could've chosen better words to get my point across, apologies for being rude. I'm just pretty surprised at how many people have things to suggest when i think this place is amazing as it is. I'm sure I can get more $ from ebay but I choose not to because I can't deal with the BS it includes and I know MANy of us feel the same way. What i'm afriad of is apparent from my previous poasts and I'll repeat in more favorable language: I'd like to avoid changes at all costs in fear that we'd be ruining something that's working terrific already. frankly, we'll never be at the point where everyone is content and feels that no changes are necessary. Do I think there is room for improvement? absolutely. can I deal with the minor inconveniences to save the bigger picture? YES! So, with all these suggestions for minor changes, where do we draw the line and seperate the tune from the noise?
post #116 of 328
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Originally Posted by FStyles View Post
frankly, we'll never be at the point where everyone is content and feels that no changes are necessary. Do I think there is room for improvement? absolutely. can I deal with the minor inconveniences to save the bigger picture? YES!

What makes your small tweak better than anyone's else's small tweaks?

I see what you're getting at, but saying that the suggestion I propose would lead to Style Fleabay is a big leap.

I'm not talking about a major overhaul that requires significant moderation nor regulations.

Limiting a FS thread to have only bumps made by the OP for price drops and new adds seems like a simplistic and logical solution to quite a few problems and complaints that I've seen in this thread.

How you've linked that to an all intrusive harmful and expensive beauracracy I have no clue.
post #117 of 328
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Originally Posted by furo View Post
How you've linked that to an all intrusive harmful and expensive beauracracy I have no clue.

Dude, again, its not about your idea, or his or that person's. I'm not concerned with anyone's specific idea.

Thing is, there are TONS of small ideas out there that would take another few extra mods to go thru.

If you say these are minor and this place is great for the most part, why not just live with it?


I'm a big proponent of leaving things the way they are if there aren't MAJOR issues to be solved. Back to basics, keep it simple, and all the rest of the cliches you can think of in the same vein.
post #118 of 328
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Originally Posted by FStyles View Post
Back to basics, keep it simple, and all the rest of the cliches you can think of in the same vein.

I think the recent suggestion that Idfnl and I proposed is about as simple as it gets, and makes things more basic than they already are. Addtionally, it might even prevent threads like this in the future (although I'll admit that's wishful thinking).

Then again, I'm not a mod, so I don't know how much work such a change would entail, or if it's even feasible to begin with. Maybe someone can enlighten me
post #119 of 328
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Originally Posted by wj2009 View Post

What I also like to see is a function is "pin to the top" any thread you personally like. This way, I will always be able to track the sellers I frequent.

There is already an option to subscribe to threads.

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Originally Posted by drewinnyc View Post
Sort of unrelated question:

If i have multiple items - say 5 - for a sale in one thread, in order for me to bump the thread do I need to cut price on ALL of them?

I was wondering the same. If there would be a one thread rule enforced it would be absurd to have to drop everything at the same time while on the other hand having separate drops for each item would result in continuous bumping - item by item - everytime a thread moves off the front page.
post #120 of 328
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Originally Posted by eztantz View Post
There is already an option to subscribe to threads.
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Some volume sellers have half a dozen threads at a time and I don't want to subscribe to all of them. If everyone has only one sale thread, then I will pin several guys' threads on the top of my front page without fearing that I may miss out something.
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