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post #9001 of 57265
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post


Holy Moses!

I setup similarly but I feel like I'm either flaring my elbows or not lifting the weight properly. I have problems with my left scap so I think its exacerbating this sensation.

I know what you mean, I had the same problem with my right scap. I stopped doing bb rows and it fixed the problem.

Try something else, DBs, pulleys, and even machines. I'm a huge fan of hammer strength rows in a controlled movement.
post #9002 of 57265
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post


I know what you mean, I had the same problem with my right scap. I stopped doing bb rows and it fixed the problem.

Try something else, DBs, pulleys, and even machines. I'm a huge fan of hammer strength rows in a controlled movement.

A)which hammer strength row? there are about 500 different varieties.

B)controlled movement? Isn't that the express purpose of hammer strength machines?

3) *never been very good at indexing* I'm a huge fan of variety, so my workouts usually consist of those other movements. None of them will ever fix my medical mystery shoulder/scap problem, unfortunately. frown.gif
post #9003 of 57265
I've had good luck with using a dumbbell significantly heavier then I should use and just heaving it for low reps

Changing to normal bench press to flat bench press. Because my flat bench has stalled my dumbbell press has just about caught up so I think ill just change over and do dumbbell bench as my main lift instead of an accessory lift. I think its better for chest hypertrophy anyway.
post #9004 of 57265
IMO, I would try to keep the BB bench press as the main lift. If it stalled, you can try many variations to help your weak spot instead: close grip, pin presses, paused, etc. Dumbells will never be barbell work. Perhaps, you should read this for some ideas : http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32031 and there's a lot more on http://www.elitefts.net that's worth reading too. Just my two cents.
post #9005 of 57265
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post


A)which hammer strength row? there are about 500 different varieties.

B)controlled movement? Isn't that the express purpose of hammer strength machines?

3) *never been very good at indexing* I'm a huge fan of variety, so my workouts usually consist of those other movements. None of them will ever fix my medical mystery shoulder/scap problem, unfortunately. frown.gif

A. Any. All.

B. No, a lot of times you see the lifter swinging too much and "yanking" which a lot of time cause injuries or exacerbates problems during to the fixed plane of movement.

C. Have you tried just laying off it or anything related for a while? A lot of movements has that area involved, so it would pretty mean taking off for a couple weeks.
post #9006 of 57265
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post


A. Any. All.

B. No, a lot of times you see the lifter swinging too much and "yanking" which a lot of time cause injuries or exacerbates problems during to the fixed plane of movement.

C. Have you tried just laying off it or anything related for a while? A lot of movements has that area involved, so it would pretty mean taking off for a couple weeks.

Ah

Oh, I see what you mean. You ever see anybody sit perpendicular to the row machine? Its the most ridiculous bullshit ever.

Yeah, been down that road with PT and everything. Every trained dr. I've seen has no idea what the fuck is wrong with it.
post #9007 of 57265
First OL class over.. shit was AWESOME. I lucked out as my coach is also the head coach for our national OL team... paints a pretty bleak picture of the status of the sport here though if the #1 coach has enough time to take on absolute amateurs like me.

I still have a lot of work to do.. technique and flexibility are lacking, the strength is (thank god) already there. I just hope my coach has enough patience to drag my ass to at least a semi-competent level technique-wise.
post #9008 of 57265
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post


Ah

Oh, I see what you mean. You ever see anybody sit perpendicular to the row machine? Its the most ridiculous bullshit ever.

Yeah, been down that road with PT and everything. Every trained dr. I've seen has no idea what the fuck is wrong with it.

One time I saw a guy lean all the way back with his ass barely grazing the seat (pretty much standing up) and had his partner pull the weight down to him. And the proceeded to jump up and down to weight swinging for each rep.

Do you do any sort of prehab before lifting? Shoulder dislocations and rotator cuff work has alleviated much of my pain.
post #9009 of 57265
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post


One time I saw a guy lean all the way back with his ass barely grazing the seat (pretty much standing up) and had his partner pull the weight down to him. And the proceeded to jump up and down to weight swinging for each rep.

Do you do any sort of prehab before lifting? Shoulder dislocations and rotator cuff work has alleviated much of my pain.

Dear god. What will they think of next?

I do a set of 20 reps of the shoulder rehab video you posted earlier in the thread. Don't know what dislocations are. My pain is in the scap/infra/supra/upper trap, not so much the shoulder capsule.
post #9010 of 57265
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Originally Posted by virus646 View Post

IMO, I would try to keep the BB bench press as the main lift. If it stalled, you can try many variations to help your weak spot instead: close grip, pin presses, paused, etc. Dumbells will never be barbell work. Perhaps, you should read this for some ideas : http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32031 and there's a lot more on http://www.elitefts.net that's worth reading too. Just my two cents.

I actually did more on dumbbell bench then I normally do on bench press today. I've just never been able to get my bench press strong. Whenever I do it it doesn't feel like im pushing my arms forward, feels like im squeezing my pecs like on a fly, dumbbell just feels more natural. Also I don't feel it in my chest that much when I bench. Mainly triceps and shoulders.
post #9011 of 57265
first squat day with ex; not so sure i like him anymore :barf:

rambo: i had a similar undiagnosed shoulder pain - got it xrayed and everything, doctors... nobody could figure it out. i took 3-4 months off, and when I got back I did all those prehab exercises my shoulder pain got better. also, doing deadlifts/shrugs/bb calf raises with my shoulders fully rolled forwards i felt a great stretch in my traps/upper back and blammo, no more shoulder pain. taking a good chunk of time off doing nothing was the best thing i did for it... as much as it sucked falling off the bandwagon, i think i needed the time off.
post #9012 of 57265
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post


Dear god. What will they think of next?

I do a set of 20 reps of the shoulder rehab video you posted earlier in the thread. Don't know what dislocations are. My pain is in the scap/infra/supra/upper trap, not so much the shoulder capsule.

I like doing them with a band for prehab -

Also, do those pullaparts. It'll help strengthen that area.
post #9013 of 57265
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post


I actually did more on dumbbell bench then I normally do on bench press today. I've just never been able to get my bench press strong. Whenever I do it it doesn't feel like im pushing my arms forward, feels like im squeezing my pecs like on a fly, dumbbell just feels more natural. Also I don't feel it in my chest that much when I bench. Mainly triceps and shoulders.

Are you tucking your elbow in? BB bench is more about strong triceps, lats and shoulder than pec (correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I've been reading from good sources). Anyway, just do whatever the heck works better for you icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #9014 of 57265
Ill do it every so often just to check my 1rm. Yeah I was doing it power lifting style so thats probably why I didnt feel it that much in my chest.

Got a job unpacking bands sound equipment and lighting and shit at the Corn Exchange, which is a pretty big venue in Cambridge. OMG REAL WORLD STRENGTH PICKING UP BOXS!!!!!!!! Also I get to go on tour with bands and unpack there shit so it should be fun for my gap year. This will probably effect lifting.
post #9015 of 57265
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

I actually did more on dumbbell bench then I normally do on bench press today. I've just never been able to get my bench press strong. Whenever I do it it doesn't feel like im pushing my arms forward, feels like im squeezing my pecs like on a fly, dumbbell just feels more natural. Also I don't feel it in my chest that much when I bench. Mainly triceps and shoulders.
If you suck at BB bench, maybe you should be doing them more.... you don't get better at something by NOT doing it.
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Originally Posted by TrH View Post

First OL class over.. shit was AWESOME. I lucked out as my coach is also the head coach for our national OL team... paints a pretty bleak picture of the status of the sport here though if the #1 coach has enough time to take on absolute amateurs like me.

I still have a lot of work to do.. technique and flexibility are lacking, the strength is (thank god) already there. I just hope my coach has enough patience to drag my ass to at least a semi-competent level technique-wise.
Details on coach and what gym you're training at? What did he have you doing?

I think one of the biggest obstacles in the OLs is courage. So many times approaching 1RM/PR I'll get a nice pull but don't have the balls to get under the weight for the catch. Since spotters for OL are kind of impractical, it's just you on your own and if you screw up with the weight, you can get screwed up BY the weight. You've got to have complete confidence in your technique and robotic reflexes so you don't even think about it, before becoming able to make huge lifts.
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