or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Health & Body › Random health and exercise thoughts
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Random health and exercise thoughts - Page 3726

post #55876 of 57266

198lbs x 7.5 = ~1500 total

 

Again this is just pedantics, 1500total might be considered "near elite" or it might not, it depends on your interpretation.

 

@conceptionist When somebody says they are training at 90% i take that to mean they are going almost balls out every session - on every set of every exercise, every session. Hitting a 90% 1rm or 2rm once every two weeks isn't what i'm thinking of.

 

Regardless this is all just coming down to different people interperating different things from a statement. I don't see any feasible way for 2 sessions a week to wreck you if you are taking care of the basics of recovery, but maybe that's just me.

post #55877 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post
 

198lbs x 7.5 = ~1500 total

 

Again this is just pedantics, 1500total might be considered "near elite" or it might not, it depends on your interpretation.

 

@conceptionist When somebody says they are training at 90% i take that to mean they are going almost balls out every session - on every set of every exercise, every session. Hitting a 90% 1rm or 2rm once every two weeks isn't what i'm thinking of.

 

Regardless this is all just coming down to different people interperating different things from a statement. I don't see any feasible way for 2 sessions a week to wreck you if you are taking care of the basics of recovery, but maybe that's just me.

 

Depends on what that 90% really means, no?

 

Though if skeen's goals are injury prevention like he was saying, then doing 90% doesn't make sense either.

post #55878 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post

198lbs x 7.5 = ~1500 total

Again this is just pedantics, 1500total might be considered "near elite" or it might not, it depends on your interpretation.

@conceptionist
 When somebody says they are training at 90% i take that to mean they are going almost balls out every session - on every set of every exercise, every session. Hitting a 90% 1rm or 2rm once every two weeks isn't what i'm thinking of.

Regardless this is all just coming down to different people interperating different things from a statement. I don't see any feasible way for 2 sessions a week to wreck you if you are taking care of the basics of recovery, but maybe that's just me.

I don't think low frequency super high intensity is a very wise way to structure your training either. Less training to become proficient with the technique and high risk of injury with sich heavy weights. Anyway, with very high maxes, going above 90% will be extremely taxing to the body, so if it is even possible with the weights the untested PLers are pushing it might be all their bodies can take given that intensity. Imo it makes more sense to train more at lower percentages but I'm sure there is some logic to it.
post #55879 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Not sure how everyone except Hendrix missed the part where I said "ymmv" and "I am genetic trash"


I also work 60 hours a week, and am 35



But I think most (note "most") of you spend too much time at the gym because you could get the same effect (or marginal detriment) from twice or even once a week saving yourselves a great deal of time


Unless you have nothing better to do in which case have at it but heavily curtail intensity or many will get injured/overtrained


Its interesting to follow people's progress in the thread!



I posted some photos in the thread a long time back. Looking now I realise that was probably my peak, which I think was a reasonable one for my own physiological constraints.

At my age I am only going to deteriorate, so trying to arrest that and perhaps have different perspective from the young whippersnappers

I'm turning 27 next month and know for sure that I don't recover like I used to at say 23...

That said, I remember your picture and you were pretty shredded. Even if you're half of that now, you're doing pretty great for 35 working 60 hrs a week. If you dialed down intensity and upped volume/days I think you'd be fine. Have you tried that or are you too limited by your time? Are you counting cardio days in there or are you not doing those?



I'm honestly just curious.

Maybe I could train more if I was less intense but

A) it's a waste of precious time

B) I enjoy the feeling of high intensity. Periodisation and low intensity workouts seem so frustrating and futile

There's no endorphins!

C) I don't think the benefits for aesthetics (as opposed to strength athletes) are that great.
(In before conceptionist details the programs of soviet Olympic lifters, or untrained college students doing leg press)



If you can achieve the same thing or nearly the same thing going balls to the wall 1/week with a big endogenous opioid high, why would you do more?
post #55880 of 57266
High intensity is not necessarily low rep/high weight/max% right?

You can train to failure with moderate reps and that's still high intensity

Or am I misusing the terminology?

That is what I generally do

Reps of 6-8 but every set to failure
Short rest periods

I think the metabolic effect is important for aesthetic gains
post #55881 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

High intensity is not necessarily low rep/high weight/max% right?

You can train to failure with moderate reps and that's still high intensity

Or am I misusing the terminology?

That is what I generally do

Reps of 6-8 but every set to failure
Short rest periods

I think the metabolic effect is important for aesthetic gains

When powerlifters talk intensity it's the % of their 1RM

 

Most work is usually done 75-sub90

post #55882 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post


Maybe I could train more if I was less intense but

A) it's a waste of precious time

B) I enjoy the feeling of high intensity. Periodisation and low intensity workouts seem so frustrating and futile

There's no endorphins!

C) I don't think the benefits for aesthetics (as opposed to strength athletes) are that great.
(In before conceptionist details the programs of soviet Olympic lifters, or untrained college students doing leg press)



If you can achieve the same thing or nearly the same thing going balls to the wall 1/week with a big endogenous opioid high, why would you do more?

 

For aesthetics maybe you can achieve the same results with what you advocate. From an anecdotal standpoint, a lot of people have gotten great physiques on the typical low frequency bro split, even without roids. But for actual performance in a sport (such as WL or PL) as a natural, there is no question that higher frequency and more volume gives better results, given that you can handle the high workload.

post #55883 of 57266
I generally lift 5 days a week. Do other things twice a week (jump rope, push sleds, weighted carries, sprints). If I feel shit I take Sunday's off and have a cheat meal. I wouldn't call what I do low frequency or low volume. Intensity is variable but I take at least the last set of each exercise to failure, if not beyond. I'm 31.

Monday was legs.

yesterday was push
Low inc db press: 3x8, 4th set x 10 (fail)
Flat BB bench: 2x10, 3rd set x 9 (fail), 4th set 12 (rest pause fail)
Dips: 4sets to failure (15,14,12,10)
BB military partials (middle portion, top portion, bottom portion): 3x6 reps in each portion, 4th set failed (6,6,3)
Db side raises: heavy partial/full rom superset, 3xfailure
Db oh ext: 4x failure (20, 16,15,13)

Today is push:
Weighted pull-ups: 3x6, 4th to failure (8 goal)
Land mine rows: 4x failure
High pull complex: 3x6's (high pull/clean/bb row)
Rear fly/face pull superset: 3x failure
Curls: 6-8 sets of diff variations

I'll do random things tomorrow then fri-sat will be upper-lower. With similar volume to the above.
post #55884 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGoCrimson View Post

When powerlifters talk intensity it's the % of their 1RM

Most work is usually done 75-sub90


Right I did not realise

Yeah I don't even know what my 1rm is
Quote:
Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Maybe I could train more if I was less intense but


A) it's a waste of precious time


B) I enjoy the feeling of high intensity. Periodisation and low intensity workouts seem so frustrating and futile


There's no endorphins!


C) I don't think the benefits for aesthetics (as opposed to strength athletes) are that great.

(In before conceptionist details the programs of soviet Olympic lifters, or untrained college students doing leg press)



If you can achieve the same thing or nearly the same thing going balls to the wall 1/week with a big endogenous opioid high, why would you do more?

For aesthetics maybe you can achieve the same results with what you advocate. From an anecdotal standpoint, a lot of people have gotten great physiques on the typical low frequency bro split, even without roids. But for actual performance in a sport (such as WL or PL) as a natural, there is no question that higher frequency and more volume gives better results, given that you can handle the high workload.

Yes I only care about aesthetics and endorphins

Most people are the same? Maybe not Its apparent im out of touch lol
post #55885 of 57266
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OzzyJones View Post

Not too bad considering the lay off and injury! Will you do it again?

Yeah I might. I'll see how the next 3-4 months go after the cycle then I might try some winny.
post #55886 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Yes I only care about aesthetics and endorphins

Most people are the same? Maybe not Its apparent im out of touch lol

There are definitely more physique / bodybuilding people than there are powerlifters or weightlifters. 

 

But why not both? It's what I do. Big lifts, supplemental movements, and then upper body fluff all day

post #55887 of 57266
I roasted boneless skinless thighs to eat for the weak. Holy fuck, Wednesday and I already want to kill myself.

How the fuck are you all prepping chicken that's tasty and you can still eat for 4 days straight?
post #55888 of 57266

I had a question.

 

I am currently hitting the gym 6-7 days a week. Each day for at least 1 hour. Furthermore I am doing intermediate fasting after hitting a extreme low carb, no sugar, high protein diet. And I am not able to knock off the last bit of weight.

 

I am not doing that much cardio, just 1/2 to 1 mile run after each exercise to relax but I am curious if I am doing something wrong.

post #55889 of 57266
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGoCrimson View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Yes I only care about aesthetics and endorphins


Most people are the same? Maybe not Its apparent im out of touch lol
There are definitely more physique / bodybuilding people than there are powerlifters or weightlifters. 

But why not both? It's what I do. Big lifts, supplemental movements, and then upper body fluff all day

Because I guess you are always going to have to sacrifice something. If you want to use up recovery ability on big lifts and improving poundages, there is less to use on physique

Obviously there is some overlap though (you need sufficient strength to provide enough stress to provoke aesthetic progression), but you've got to have some idea of what your true goal is


Quote:
Originally Posted by Nafets47 View Post

I had a question.

I am currently hitting the gym 6-7 days a week. Each day for at least 1 hour. Furthermore I am doing intermediate fasting after hitting a extreme low carb, no sugar, high protein diet. And I am not able to knock off the last bit of weight.

I am not doing that much cardio, just 1/2 to 1 mile run after each exercise to relax but I am curious if I am doing something wrong.

This is what I'm talking about with regards to over-training.
Just doing way too much for no good reason
post #55890 of 57266

So I've been going to the gym when it's crowded and it sucks cuz my weight room is tiny and has 8 squat racks facing each other. Normally I'd glance at other people's form when resting between bench sets, but now people are deadlifting and cleaning right in front of me. I have music on and like to just look around but everyone who's not a regular is super self-conscious. The regulars know it comes with the territory, the new kids just make everything awkward. Also I hate beats headphones, and non-regular girls in the weightroom who rest like 15min between sets of half squats and boss the racks when a line is waiting. Had some aerobics girl claim my squat rack when I put a towel on the bar and my weightlifting shoes/phone on the floor and went upstairs to get a foam roller. Didn't wanna be an asshole but lol.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Health & Body
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Health & Body › Random health and exercise thoughts