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post #54871 of 57266
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Originally Posted by Gruff View Post

Regarding the knife, if you look closer, you'll see that the defender had control of the attacker's knife hand/arm before he laid in the kicks.  That being said, unless you're under some obligation to stand and face a knife assailant (e.g. cop), your best knife defense is to train the 40 meter dash.

Regarding "weak ass punches," the point was to demonstrate the techniques, not sparring.  That's why the attacker wasn't going at 100%, and neither was the cop.  Actually, there's no reason to spar at 100%, either.  

I really appreciated how smoothly the techniques were executed. It had that wow effect.
post #54872 of 57266
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Originally Posted by Gruff View Post
 

 

Regarding the knife, if you look closer, you'll see that the defender had control of the attacker's knife hand/arm before he laid in the kicks.  That being said, unless you're under some obligation to stand and face a knife assailant (e.g. cop), your best knife defense is to train the 40 meter dash.

 

Regarding "weak ass punches," the point was to demonstrate the techniques, not sparring.  That's why the attacker wasn't going at 100%, and neither was the cop.  Actually, there's no reason to spar at 100%, either.  

No, I get that he had control of the knife hand. My point is that knife assailants don't tend to thrust once and nicely leave the knife hanging out there; they tend to stab multiple times in quick succession.

 

Totally agree to the best defence being be a faster runner

post #54873 of 57266
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Originally Posted by barrelntrigger View Post

I've always wanted to learn CQC and Silat. But there aren't any legit places around here that offer classes. Did you guys do tons of knife training? We used to train with shock knives. 

like very basic defending against knives, fighting with a fixed bayonet. nothing more.
post #54874 of 57266
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Originally Posted by Chulillo View Post

I need your help with something guys.

I read wonders about these weighlifting shoes that are great for squatting and all that... but what I wonder is if there is too much difference between these type of shoes and the shoes that are made for Crossfit. I think they have the same shape and seems to me like they are the same... do any of you know??

Thanks in advance.

@fit is a generalist sport, so shoes designed for it are not going to excel in any particular sport, but will pass for all. Weightlifting shoes are built for weightlifting, and hence are very, very solid. This makes them generally also very good for squatting etc. where you want a solid base so you can apply force. The reason weightlifting shoes are like they are come from the requirements of the sport itself.

If you want to get rom deuce for purely squatting, that's fine. They will be a superb choice for that. However, there's many other alternatives if all you want to do is squat, like the adidas powerlift trainers etc.
post #54875 of 57266
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Originally Posted by OzzyJones View Post

No, I get that he had control of the knife hand. My point is that knife assailants don't tend to thrust once and nicely leave the knife hanging out there; they tend to stab multiple times in quick succession.

Totally agree to the best defence being be a faster runner

Agreed with the prison yard shank techniques and the best defense against a knife is to run unless the assailint throws it at you. I think in most case when you go against a knife wielding assailant, the chances of you get maimed and suffer a permanent injury is high.
post #54876 of 57266
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post


@fit is a generalist sport, so shoes designed for it are not going to excel in any particular sport, but will pass for all. Weightlifting shoes are built for weightlifting, and hence are very, very solid. This makes them generally also very good for squatting etc. where you want a solid base so you can apply force. The reason weightlifting shoes are like they are come from the requirements of the sport itself.

If you want to get rom deuce for purely squatting, that's fine. They will be a superb choice for that. However, there's many other alternatives if all you want to do is squat, like the adidas powerlift trainers etc.


Thanks. I was just considering giving those a try, just to squat basically... I had the opportunity to buy the ones my friend has at half the price, so they would be quite cheaper than any of the other shoes I have seen specially designed for squatting...

post #54877 of 57266
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Originally Posted by barrelntrigger View Post


I really appreciated how smoothly the techniques were executed. It had that wow effect.

 

Yes, but keep in mind that this was just training.  Again, the attacker wasn't moving with true purpose and resisting, so the defender was able to execute the techniques with ease.  In the real world, the attacker would have been hitting with 100% force, probably moving in anticipation of the defender's moves and also maybe tracking the defender's evasions.  And he would have been resisting all those take-downs, too.

 

Which is all to say, in the real world it's much, much messier.  The rub is, in training you can't go 100% or else you'll end up hurting your partners.  On the other hand, it doesn't really prepare you for the realities of combat.  You just have to do the best you can, basically.

post #54878 of 57266
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Originally Posted by OzzyJones View Post
 

No, I get that he had control of the knife hand. My point is that knife assailants don't tend to thrust once and nicely leave the knife hanging out there; they tend to stab multiple times in quick succession.

 

Totally agree to the best defence being be a faster runner

 

I agree, in the real world people don't use knives like that.  But as I said above, for training and demonstration purposes, that's how the technique goes.  You're right, in the real world people, especially untrained people, will use the pincushion attack, but there are ways to defend against that as well.

post #54879 of 57266
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Originally Posted by Gruff View Post
 

 

I agree, in the real world people don't use knives like that.  But as I said above, for training and demonstration purposes, that's how the technique goes.  You're right, in the real world people, especially untrained people, will use the pincushion attack, but there are ways to defend against that as well.

What's your background in the martial arts? I'm actually interested seeing these techniques.

 

I've had 5 years of traning in Krav Maga, and a few years in kung fu and kick boxing. In KM, and we are taught always to deescalate potential violent situations but if you must, you hit him first, hard, and fast, and retreat. Your being objective is to get away alive, not to win aka looking cool for go for a ko. Thus, we are always practicing aiming for the groin, knees, solar plexus, throat, and etc. When we were sparing, our coaches would encourage to strike vital points even with boxing gloves on (50% and you can't really chop someone's throat with 16 oz. gloves on but you can kick the groin lol) We don't really practice on take downs because you would have really engage the person and if you are doing well, his buddy could stick you with an ice pick. Bad day for you. So, we do a ton of combatives. This is another reason when I see smooth take downs such as depicted in the video, I get all awestruck. 

post #54880 of 57266
Thread Starter 
Generally, combative techniques for the army are just for building confidence and conditioning. They aren't seriously meant for use. Same with those police techniques.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_UppXo8ZcHvX091dm81WjlsVlE/view (I guess nobody read this)
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There are fads in the law enforcement community and we love experts. When the UFC started and the Gracies were winning every-thing, “Tactical Ground fighting Courses” started springing up all over the country. They were barely-altered aspects of Gracie Jujitsu or wrestling. Many of the classes I saw showed a fundamental ignorance of the job. Sport grappling immobilizes opponents on their backs; LEOs immobilize face down, for handcuffing. Sport grappling takes up space with tight body contact; in law enforcement, at that range the threat can kill us with weapons from our own belts. The goals of the two are not the same. In many ways it was as if LEOs were attempting to improve their ability to fly fighter jets by taking lessons from the best submariners in the world.

Similarly, a China-cop like that would never find himself in those situations and they are filmed solely for propaganda purposes.
post #54881 of 57266
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Originally Posted by barrelntrigger View Post
 

What's your background in the martial arts? I'm actually interested seeing these techniques.

 

I've had 5 years of traning in Krav Maga, and a few years in kung fu and kick boxing. In KM, and we are taught always to deescalate potential violent situations but if you must, you hit him first, hard, and fast, and retreat. Your being objective is to get away alive, not to win aka looking cool for go for a ko. Thus, we are always practicing aiming for the groin, knees, solar plexus, throat, and etc. When we were sparing, our coaches would encourage to strike vital points even with boxing gloves on (50% and you can't really chop someone's throat with 16 oz. gloves on but you can kick the groin lol) We don't really practice on take downs because you would have really engage the person and if you are doing well, his buddy could stick you with an ice pick. Bad day for you. So, we do a ton of combatives. This is another reason when I see smooth take downs such as depicted in the video, I get all awestruck. 

 

My background is 1 year of Western boxing and 4 years and counting of a silat style with Chinese influences (or a Chinese style with silat influences, depending on who you ask).  Western boxing was fun but I moved away from it to focus on the other style because I liked the broader universe of techniques beyond just a punch in the face.  I have no idea what style that cop was using but a few of the techniques looked similar to what I train.

 

You mentioned KM and what you're describing sounds like the emphasis that my teacher places on an approach to violence, i.e. strike hard and fast, do as much damage as possible and gtfo.  We're taught to never stand and bang.  That's not self-defense, that's fighting and when the cops show up, everybody goes to jail.  Every situation should be over and done in no more than 3-5 seconds if possible.

 

To turn this back to fitness, people were talking about Brad Pitt in Fight Club.  To my mind, that's the optimal look for combat.  Light and lean (IIRC correctly, Brad was maybe 155 lbs in that movie).  No heavy bulk to move around, fast hands, etc.  At that point it becomes a matter of technique versus raw power, and if you train right and know your stuff, the technique can beat raw power.

 

And at the end of the day, Eason is right, that cop would have vanishingly few situations where he needs to be Action Hero like that.  If you think about it, standard cop doctrine around the world is to roll in packs of at least 2: one guy to engage while the other calls for backup if necessary.  They'd use guns for self-defense as a first resort, not fists and feet.*  That video, while fun to watch, is basically just for promotional purposes.  

 

Which is all to say, keep martial arts in perspective - they're fun but they don't make you invincible.  Find a style you like and train the hell out of it, all styles are pretty much the same when you're high level (it's kinda Zen).  Check out www.wimsblog.com for a blog from a practicing martial artist, a Dutch guy who posts a lot about not only specific training techniques about also the philosophy of violence.  The philosophy is just as fascinating as the techniques - he'll sometimes select Youtube vids of random street fights and break them down into bullet points, showing you the pros and cons of the action, what people could have done right, what they did wrong, etc.

 

*Fists and Feet:  Probably showing my American bias here in this claim.  We're used to cops shooting people as a first resort, not last.  Maybe the Chinese cop would be a little less inclined to draw his piece on any given day.

post #54882 of 57266
My Blendtec is a god damn life changer icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Next stops..... standalone freezer, vacuum sealer, and hopefully for Xmas a sous vide oven. Then ze cypher will be complete!!!
post #54883 of 57266
Have not done shit in weeks. I sleep like 1hr/day now. Second kid is brutal. I need somebody to inject cocaine directly to my balls so maybe I have some life in me.
post #54884 of 57266
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Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post

Have not done shit in weeks. I sleep like 1hr/day now. Second kid is brutal. I need somebody to inject cocaine directly to my balls so maybe I have some life in me.

For me, second kid was hard until about 3 months. Then, second kid was easy until about 18 months. Then, brutal until about 2.5

But, my kids are only 23 months apart - I think you've got more age separation so hopefullly a bit easier.
post #54885 of 57266
Sleep is the main thing I am afraid of with kids. If I don't get good sleep I am a truly miserable fuck. Sleep is a big part of why I quit my job and left NYC w/nothing lined up down here.
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