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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

People still cockbuff Rippletits? The power of effective marketing.

Yes. It's ridiculous. Yesterday some guy asked "hey I want to get strong but not big so I want to get stronger and leaner" and the thread devolved into "do Starting Strength or Stronglifts while eating in a calorie deficit" Yeah, 3x/week squatting 3-5x5 on a linear progression for a beginner in a calorie deficit! What could possibly go wrong?
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post

just as motivation, my elbow (which was really bad some time ago) is now 100% again. so hang in there!

Good to hear. I am at the point where as long as I don't do anything stupid, I can more or less do 80% of what I want to do. What was your timeline like?

Band assisted pullups for sets of 5+ = great. Bodyweight pullups = fuck me.

On a positive note, I pulled 165x5x10 with one minute rest intervals and I was able to hook grip all of them without pain during or after. 165lbs deadlift, watch out Dan Green.
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wait whas wrong with stronglift and eating at a deficit?
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Originally Posted by accordion View Post

wait whas wrong with stronglift and eating at a deficit?
Not a good plan for a beginner IMO, too many moving pieces. Aside from getting more protein I don't think beginners should fuck with diet at all, until they learn the lifts and get some momentum going.
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SS/SL is brainless though, hard to fuck up, if anything it gets boring fast.
post #54710 of 57266

Getting hip flexor pain everytime I squat, only on right side though

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Originally Posted by accordion View Post

wait whas wrong with stronglift and eating at a deficit?

I wonder the same thing. If you slow down the progression and add some accessories, SL and SS are not bad. Its the guidelines or "rules" of the programs that are bad. Anyway, if you make some adjustments I think its a better alternative for beginners than to hop on whatever super high volume bro split.
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

Good to hear. I am at the point where as long as I don't do anything stupid, I can more or less do 80% of what I want to do. What was your timeline like?

summer 2013: fuck up elbow. diagnosis, NSAIDs en masse. can't do shit. no lifting, cannot even open jars or bottles (elbow health 0%)

sept: physical therapy, rubber dildo coldsnap procedures. intermittent lifting, elbow aggravated with most anything training-related (not normal life) (elbow health 30%)

spring 2014: realize physical therapy does exactly jack and shit, elbow slowly getting better. aggravated by weightlifting movements (elbow health 50%)

summer 2014: graduate with MSc., start working as a professional research economist. training ramps down accordingly, elbow is feeling happy (elbow health 70%)

january 2015: start another research project, schedule normalizes. start to increase training frequency. elbow feeling good all the time (during training and afterwards). start adding weightlifting movements back up to normal levels. (elbow health 85%)

summer 2015: pick up normal training frequency, movements feel normal, elbow feels normal. clean grip snatching, snatching, drop snatch and all other movements which used to kill elbow and leave it in pain for days now okay. No pain before, during or after training, even with pretty aggravating movements. (elbow health 100%)


Pretty fucked up, but I think my decreasing the workload on it did most of the work. Some good did come out of this, however. I now have much, much better technique, since I cannot have the bar crashing on me or riding the bar aggressively down on snatches for fear of the elbow again.
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post

Getting hip flexor pain everytime I squat, only on right side though

Had the same thing few months back, I took a two week break and it was fine. Mine was most likely due to squatting too shallow.
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

I wonder the same thing. If you slow down the progression and add some accessories, SL and SS are not bad. Its the guidelines or "rules" of the programs that are bad. Anyway, if you make some adjustments I think its a better alternative for beginners than to hop on whatever super high volume bro split.

I think context is important. Sure, high frequency in a vacuum isn't bad per se, but when you're dealing with a total beginner who doesn't know anything I think it can lead to bad things. Demotivation would be my prime concern; SS/SL are bland programs that plateau you pretty quickly even in the best of situations. A newbie who doesn't know about training feels who just keeps running into a wall because he can't sustain 3x/week max intensity squats because he isn't eating enough will probably either quit or hurt himself.

I think doing a 3-day A/B/C/D squat/upper/pull/upper ala SPBR would be more practical and more "fun." No beginner is going to do a program without curls or brovements and think it's fun.
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post

summer 2013: fuck up elbow. diagnosis, NSAIDs en masse. can't do shit. no lifting, cannot even open jars or bottles (elbow health 0%)

sept: physical therapy, rubber dildo coldsnap procedures. intermittent lifting, elbow aggravated with most anything training-related (not normal life) (elbow health 30%)

spring 2014: realize physical therapy does exactly jack and shit, elbow slowly getting better. aggravated by weightlifting movements (elbow health 50%)

summer 2014: graduate with MSc., start working as a professional research economist. training ramps down accordingly, elbow is feeling happy (elbow health 70%)

january 2015: start another research project, schedule normalizes. start to increase training frequency. elbow feeling good all the time (during training and afterwards). start adding weightlifting movements back up to normal levels. (elbow health 85%)

summer 2015: pick up normal training frequency, movements feel normal, elbow feels normal. clean grip snatching, snatching, drop snatch and all other movements which used to kill elbow and leave it in pain for days now okay. No pain before, during or after training, even with pretty aggravating movements. (elbow health 100%)


Pretty fucked up, but I think my decreasing the workload on it did most of the work. Some good did come out of this, however. I now have much, much better technique, since I cannot have the bar crashing on me or riding the bar aggressively down on snatches for fear of the elbow again.

So just time and not actively sabotaging yourself/doing things you can handle and not much else? Did massage/physio/etc help at all or was it purely time?
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

So just time and not actively sabotaging yourself/doing things you can handle and not much else? Did massage/physio/etc help at all or was it purely time?

just time, basically. I was pretty overeager to start putting in a bit more stressful stuff when I'd see some epsilon of improvement. if I had just simply taken a nice block of absolute rest, I think it might've recovered quicker. tendons heal pretty slowly.
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With the new baby I've decided to completely flip my training.
trying to get a lot of volume into a 30-40 min session. 4 days/week pure lifting and 2 days of weight centered conditioning (loaded carries, sled work, complexes etc) and then the 7 th day probably hoop or skate or something fun.
My training has been really erratic all year but I've progressed everywhere except legs. My strength is the same but pants fit looser, I'm sure it's partially because things have stretched but I've definitely lost leg mass too. I think I'm alright with it though. Going to try and just get quick, consistent sessions in with a general premise of antagonist movements supersetted in a primary movement paired with an opposing auxiliary movement with minimal rests (~60 sec). Should be interesting.
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post


I think context is important. Sure, high frequency in a vacuum isn't bad per se, but when you're dealing with a total beginner who doesn't know anything I think it can lead to bad things. Demotivation would be my prime concern; SS/SL are bland programs that plateau you pretty quickly even in the best of situations. A newbie who doesn't know about training feels who just keeps running into a wall because he can't sustain 3x/week max intensity squats because he isn't eating enough will probably either quit or hurt himself.

I think doing a 3-day A/B/C/D squat/upper/pull/upper ala SPBR would be more practical and more "fun." No beginner is going to do a program without curls or brovements and think it's fun.
So just time and not actively sabotaging yourself/doing things you can handle and not much else? Did massage/physio/etc help at all or was it purely time?

 

Well, I disagree.

Just to get the question out of the way, a total beginner should not try to learn squats, deadlifts and bench press all by himself. For a true novice, starting with some less complex movements will be beneficial. Say, goblet squats instead of back squats and light block pulls instead of deadlifts, and gradually transition into the standard lifts. But when he can perform the standard lifts safely, he should imo base his training around those (with modifications of course).

 

A beginner will most likely not get any overtraining effect or the like from training 3x a week, since the load is simply too small. If he does, he trains too heavy. Not the program's fault, but his. Novices should stay far away from failure in the big lifts, averaging around 60-70% of 1RM and pretty much never max out. This is done to faster learn proper technique. Regularly going 85% and above like you eventually do with programs like SS and SL is not necessary or sustainable for a beginner. So I'm with you that its bad to train that heavy in the beginning, but I never argued for that standpoint.

 

Higher frequency are often said to easier lead to injury, but thats not really true. The thing is that if you have a fault in your technique that puts strain on a certain structure, the injury will just come sooner than with a lower frequency. Say for instance that a bad technique will lead to injury within 5000 reps. Training more often (and with higher volume as a result) will just make you reach those reps within a shorter timeframe. Now, jumping into very high frequency is not smart for anyone without experience, but 3x a week is not high frequency.

post #54718 of 57266
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Originally Posted by accordion View Post


Had the same thing few months back, I took a two week break and it was fine. Mine was most likely due to squatting too shallow.

as in not squatting low enough to the ground?

 

I keep thinking stretching would help, or skipping squats in my rotation for a round, but its not helping.

post #54719 of 57266
Im gonna be honest, I just dont like Rippletits. Im not going to try and rationalize my dislike of SS beyond that. He and his accolytes.... yeesh. But at least they are lifting.
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Originally Posted by venividivicibj View Post
 

as in not squatting low enough to the ground?

 

I keep thinking stretching would help, or skipping squats in my rotation for a round, but its not helping.

 

yes, and do the hip flexor against wall stretch, if you don't get low enough then your hip flexor does a lot of work on the way up

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