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post #53971 of 57263
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post


Yes but what you're talking about is an extreme calorie deficit. I doubt I'm even over 1000 kcals deficit. 1.1 lbs/wk is like a 550 kcal deficit, add in the additional 200 kcals for reducing my intake and maybe 130 kcals for the cardio and I'm only at 880 kcals. A bit aggressive sure but not extreme, that's like a 1.75 lbs/wk cut.

 

I'd say 2000 calories for a relative short guy at 190 pounds is quite extreme, unless the goal is to shed all weight possible in the shortest possible time with no consideration for the quality of the weight loss (fat/muscle ratio).

 

Its your choice and you can defend your point all you want. People here just think you're making it unnecessarily hard for yourself and your setting yourself up for failure.

post #53972 of 57263
Yea cutting sucks dude. Esp the first cut, and esp if its a long cut. No way around it. Have to learn how to manage hunger and manage stalls. But there's no way around either. They're gonna happen. I agree with you though, KC, that diet breaks are not a bad idea for natural cutters. Scat man agrees.
post #53973 of 57263
I'll add that at the end of my cut, I looked better than I had at 199, but I didn't have much muscle. From the front, you would assume maybe I was a runner or something. Traps, delts, chest were all really underwhelming. I didn't even have visible abs!

In retrospect, I got way too caught up in what the scale said.
post #53974 of 57263
I'm just not getting how 1.75 lbs/wk is considered "extreme". Extreme to me is >2.0 lbs/wk.
post #53975 of 57263
It's not how much you are losing that is extreme it's the process you are taking and painting yourself in to a corner too early in the process.
post #53976 of 57263
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Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post

It's not how much you are losing that is extreme it's the process you are taking and painting yourself in to a corner too early in the process.

This. I'm a little surprised there's not more weight loss happening at 2,200 cals/day. I imagine you are, too. But I don't know if the answer is to drop calories even further when you still have a ways to go. If you were only 10 pounds away, then sure, go for it. But 30? What happens when you stall out 10 pounds from now? Drop calories even further and then stall out not long after that? I tried this years ago and it works, but I felt totally miserable by the end and I honestly didn't even look that great. All chasing a relatively arbitrary number.
post #53977 of 57263
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Originally Posted by APK View Post

This. I'm a little surprised there's not more weight loss happening at 2,200 cals/day. I imagine you are, too. But I don't know if the answer is to drop calories even further when you still have a ways to go. If you were only 10 pounds away, then sure, go for it. But 30? What happens when you stall out 10 pounds from now? Drop calories even further and then stall out not long after that? I tried this years ago and it works, but I felt totally miserable by the end and I honestly didn't even look that great. All chasing a relatively arbitrary number.

Well if you look at a calorie calculator it makes sense:
http://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html?ctype=standard&cage=27&csex=m&cheightfeet=5&cheightinch=7&cpound=190&cheightmeter=180&ckg=60&cactivity=1.55&printit=0&x=56&y=16

Here's what I'm looking for from RHET:
1. An explanation of why running a 700-800 kcal deficit is going to cause muscle loss
2. An explanation of how running a large deficit "paints me into a corner" when you can only really plateau from a fat loss perspective if you lose enough to hit maintenance. But then it doesn't even matter how fast you were losing weight, you were going to reach maintenance at that weight/activity level anyways regardless of whether you hit 170 lbs, say, from cutting 1lb/wk or 1.5 lbs/wk.
post #53978 of 57263

1. It won't necessarily cause muscle loss

2. The argument is that you have less factors you can adjust the lower your starting calories are. Most recommend going with the minimum for ~ 1lb/week fat loss IF (big IF) you are new to dieting down. If you have a good grasp of how your body reacts to caloric/macro/exercise/supplement manipulation, then disregard the entire argument.

post #53979 of 57263
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Originally Posted by MGoCrimson View Post

1. It won't necessarily cause muscle loss
2. The argument is that you have less factors you can adjust the lower your starting calories are. Most recommend going with the minimum for ~ 1lb/week fat loss IF (big IF) you are new to dieting down. If you have a good grasp of how your body reacts to caloric/macro/exercise/supplement manipulation, then disregard the entire argument.

Thank you. This is what I was looking for. Though I don't really know what you could adjust for, all you really have to adjust are calories in and calories expended. Macros might help with water weight but isn't significant in fat loss, and supplements (outside of clen and other shit) don't really do much either.
post #53980 of 57263
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
Macros might help with water weight but isn't significant in fat loss, and supplements (outside of clen and other shit) don't really do much either.

I'm a strong believer in carb cycling, caloric shifting, beta-agonists, caffeine, and yohimbe

post #53981 of 57263
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

Here's what I'm looking for from RHET:
1. An explanation of why running a 700-800 kcal deficit is going to cause muscle loss
2. An explanation of how running a large deficit "paints me into a corner" when you can only really plateau from a fat loss perspective if you lose enough to hit maintenance. But then it doesn't even matter how fast you were losing weight, you were going to reach maintenance at that weight/activity level anyways regardless of whether you hit 170 lbs, say, from cutting 1lb/wk or 1.5 lbs/wk.
Calorie calculators are kind of BS. I am supposed to be dropping a lb a week at my maintenance.foo.gif

1. It wont at the start
2. Like I said metabolism is super dynamic... eventually that 700-800 deficit becomes zero, at the expense of pretty much everything related to gainzzz, without some outside factor (ECA, yohimbine, clen, whatever killed that girl) fooling your body into not going into starvation mode. Maintenance can vary like crazy. I was maintaining at 3000-3200kcal when I started my cut.... I am prob down to like 2500-2600 now. Another 4 months w/o changing anything or letting my metabolism reset, I wouldnt doubt it dropping to 2000 or so. Just take it easy, try one thing at a time. I would try the cardio now, then drop shit down 100kcal every 2 weeks. After that start thinking about supplements. If I can't get my shit in gear this month I am prob going to jump on an ECA stack. No need to panic, u just started.
post #53982 of 57263
Haven't some bros here gone through having sciatica? Sometimes my left foot goes numbish. It's usually when I'm sitting in the floor in a weird position. Wondering what PTs told you to do. I want to get out in front of it and wanted to check if I had the right things in mind to do.
post #53983 of 57263
What's everyone's supplement stack these days?
post #53984 of 57263
Creatine + Fish Oil + Vitamin D
post #53985 of 57263
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

Haven't some bros here gone through having sciatica? Sometimes my left foot goes numbish. It's usually when I'm sitting in the floor in a weird position. Wondering what PTs told you to do. I want to get out in front of it and wanted to check if I had the right things in mind to do.

I've had lower right leg numbness occasionally, but no pain. Happened recently and haven't had it checked out yet. Does it usually occur because of nerves in the spine and particularly around the femur/pelvic joint and spine?

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Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty View Post

Creatine + Fish Oil + Vitamin D

What does this do and how do you do it if you wouldn't mind elaborating. I just eat healthily and exercise/workout, but I'm getting to the point where I need to up my game a bit.
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