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Yeah, that's another big thing.

You get your masters in something like education and come out with 100k in debt, yet you are lucky to make 50k after 5 years in a high paying district. If you go to a shitty district, which is the only way to have the possibility of partial loan forgiveness you have to be there for like 10 years, and after those 10 years you still probably wont be making 50k.

 

SAT's I took in 2004. I also have gotten an A in every single class I have taken in the US except for an A- in healthcare jurispdence because I missed a quiz the day my son was born. There is absolutely NO WAY I would have gotten straight High Distinctions (4.0 equiv) in Aus.

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Australian schools are just extremely difficult to get into. Having good grades doesn't guarantee anything. And getting good grades is extremely difficult.
In Aus you have the HSC which would essentially be the SAT equivalent. Except instead of 2 hours on english and 2 hours on math or whatever it is on the SATs now, you have a 2-4 hour exam on every subject you take - math, chemistry, english, IT, Physics, history whatever. You then get a cumulative grade that essentially puts you in a percentile for the graduating students in the country for that year (between a score of 40-100, under 40 you just get an asterisk... and free drinks at most bars to make you feel better). When you apply for uni the programs are based on that percentile grade and if you don't meet the cut you have no chance. I scored an 86.8 on the HSC, which was pretty fucking great tbh, all of the programs I wanted to get into were around 88-98 for entry, the lowest was an 86 at an out of state school. I was denied entry to all of them, so I took my SATs and got a 1750 (when the max was 1800). I couldn't even believe how easy it was and had already scheduled 2 SAT exams because they said I could take my best grade, I ended up taking it again a week later and got the exact same grade again.

Anyway, that's the story of how I came to the US.

The most fucked up thing about US schools in the gen ed requirements imo. That was the entire point of high school. SAT's and HSC proved proficiency in it, you are just making me take 2 years of pointless credits to make money.


Sounds like England. I took 18 hours of maths exams to get my A in further maths. Universities give you an offer like mine was AAA in maths, further maths and chemistry. SATs seem like a shit system, doesn't test you on actual subjects. I think A levels is the best system, you sit exams in the modules you choose and different degrees have different subject and grade requirements.

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I misread it like this and laughed because I'm an economist

You had to study real analysis in your econ degree? As in delta epsilon shit?
post #53493 of 57266
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You had to study real analysis in your econ degree? As in delta epsilon shit?

it's just a reference to ejmr

but yes
post #53494 of 57266

^ Pretty much.

So when you go to uni in the UK you start off by taking classes that pertain directly to your chosen field/major, correct?

They don't make you take remedial english and math 101 for 2 years first.

I also have British citizenship and sometimes I wish I just went somewhere in the Eu for college (but then I wouldn't know my wife and wouldn't have a son and wouldn't be able to cop dope jawnz for cheap).

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Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post

^ Pretty much.
So when you go to uni in the UK you start off by taking classes that pertain directly to your chosen field/major, correct?
They don't make you take remedial english and math 101 for 2 years first.
I also have British citizenship and sometimes I wish I just went somewhere in the Eu for college (but then I wouldn't know my wife and wouldn't have a son and wouldn't be able to cop dope jawnz for cheap).


Until you are 14 you take all subjects. When you are 14 you then choose your GCSEs, which are Maths, English, Science + like a minimum of 4 other subjects its actually not standardised across the country you get kids coming out of secondary school with like 4 GCSEs. You then start your A levels which are going to require certain GCSEs, most people do like 3-5, I started on 5, but then dropped to 3 once I received my university offer. You apply to uni for a specific degree that is dependent on your what A levels you did and the grades you get. The uni makes you an offer of certain grades you have to get in the summer to get in. Some people are against it because the choices you make when your 14 effect what you can study at university, for example I could only apply to uni for maths, chemistry or something else quant. I really like it though because it actually tests you on what you're going to be doing at uni.

Yeah when your at uni you only do subjects specific to your degree, i've only ever taken maths, statistics, accounting, finance and econ modules and after the first year the econ and accounting stopped. Whilst this approach obviously doesn't make the most well rounded students whatever that means my 17 year old cousin in the states definitely can't integrate a polar function.
post #53496 of 57266

Yeah pretty much the same as Australia. Take all subjects until year 9, then you choose your electives (history, geography, econ, IT, arts, design, language etc).

Everybody takes maths, english, science but the specifics are chosen by the student, I think you have to history and goegraphy are an either/or option, you must take one of them. I think the same for econ and business.

core classes are based on skill level eg/ general maths, 2 unit maths or 3 unit maths. ESL, Gen English, Intermediate English or Advanced English. It's partially your choice and partially how proficient you were at those subjects up to that point. If you are good at english you don't have to take advanced, but if you suck at it then you can't take it.

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Yeah identical to england, not sure if its a nation wide thing, but my secondary school required geography or history and then maths english and science there were 6 sets depending on your ability level and depending on what class your in you sit a different exam. Like if your in sixth set you can only get a C or something, which is quite jokes.
post #53498 of 57266

India works that way too....probably because it's a former colony.

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Until you are 14 you take all subjects. When you are 14 you then choose your GCSEs, which are Maths, English, Science + like a minimum of 4 other subjects its actually not standardised across the country you get kids coming out of secondary school with like 4 GCSEs. You then start your A levels which are going to require certain GCSEs, most people do like 3-5, I started on 5, but then dropped to 3 once I received my university offer. You apply to uni for a specific degree that is dependent on your what A levels you did and the grades you get. The uni makes you an offer of certain grades you have to get in the summer to get in. Some people are against it because the choices you make when your 14 effect what you can study at university, for example I could only apply to uni for maths, chemistry or something else quant. I really like it though because it actually tests you on what you're going to be doing at uni.

Yeah when your at uni you only do subjects specific to your degree, i've only ever taken maths, statistics, accounting, finance and econ modules and after the first year the econ and accounting stopped. Whilst this approach obviously doesn't make the most well rounded students whatever that means my 17 year old cousin in the states definitely can't integrate a polar function.

This sounds like it would be a nightmare for me. I had no idea what I wanted to do until I was like 22 and in high school I basically majored in drug dealing and figuring out how to cut school and still graduate (the only class with an attendance requirement was gym). I cut over 100 days of my senior year lmao.
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India works that way too....probably because it's a former colony.


Yeah so does HK, prob a colonial thing, they didn't even bother to change the system there.

Why would you have done horribly in it? If you got into med school you must have done well at uni, which is basically the same as A levels. I just don't understand what the american system tests you on, normal subjects don't have standardised testing so how do you know what an A means and the SAT is just shit. How can you decide if someone is MIT material based on their SAT scores and because they're teachers said they had a 3.8 I have a cousin who lives in the virgin islands, he's getting As and Bs in maths about to graduate high school, just learning trigonometry now, wtf does his gpa mean.
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Yeah so does HK, prob a colonial thing, they didn't even bother to change the system there.

Why would you have done horribly in it? If you got into med school you must have done well at uni, which is basically the same as A levels. I just don't understand what the american system tests you on, normal subjects don't have standardised testing so how do you know what an A means and the SAT is just shit. How can you decide if someone is MIT material based on their SAT scores and because they're teachers said they had a 3.8 I have a cousin who lives in the virgin islands, he's getting As and Bs in maths about to graduate high school, just learning trigonometry now, wtf does his gpa mean.

 

Testing system in India is totally different. MCAT is more of a thinking test, I think the A levels are more memorization based, no? Unsure how it is in the sciences. I love social studies etc, but never saw the point of memorizing dates. I would remember the reasons for things and lose interest after that.

 

I only had a 3.55 gpa or something like that, but I took the MCAT twice and scored in the 93rd percentile the second time. I also have good research experiences etc, so that helps in the US not so much in India.

 

Med school is going to be interesting. It'll be the first time I'll have to stay motivated and focused academically through everything. Always had issues with that since motivation comes in waves. I'm interested in surgery which is hard to get, so lets see what happens.

post #53502 of 57266
Australian HSC 99.9 masterrace

Went to med school for like $5000 a year from the age of 17

I was a virgin in high school tho
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Australian HSC 99.9 masterrace

Went to med school for like $5000 a year from the age of 17

I was a virgin in high school tho

lol that sucks
post #53504 of 57266
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

If US education is fucked why are rich Chinese sending their children to school here en masse? Literally half of my finance classes were filled with Chinese with student viSas.

Mostly to network. My ivy friends day that while the education is great the task value is in networking and making connections.
post #53505 of 57266

Just to clarify on my previous point. I read and hear about how great universities are in other first world countries (we are talking about the USA here so for the sake of fairness and validity we will only talk about similar first world countries), however if you have gone to university here in the USA you will soon realize just how much of a scam it really is. If you don't know, here are a few facts:


1. The whole system is built around the university making money, it is a business after all.
2. The guidance counselors in most universities have so many students that they do not give a shit or ever each out to help the students (this can vary from universities but this was the case for me and several other friends of mine who go to different unis).
3. It costs $30k a year or more in most institutions per year. If your parents make over like $65k a year, you get basically nothing for financial aid. Do the math here, it's just ridiculous.
4. If you are paying full or close to full the tuition amount, you're in debt by the time you get your bachelors.... no matter what. AND THAT'S ONLY YOUR BACHELORS.
5. Most BAs wont get you a half decent job at all. If you want to make real money, and even have a chance of paying off your student loans from those 4 years, you need to get a masters.
6. A Masters is another 2-3 years depending on what you do. And another 'attractive' $40k a year.

So before you know it, sure you seized the 'opportunity' and graduated as a clinical psychologist.... but you're still sitting in $150k debt. Good luck paying that off with the high cost of living in any big city where the real money circulates.

The whole system is built similarly to the housing scam that was going on in the early 2000s. People who clearly can't afford the tuition are racking up massive debt (just like how people who vividly couldn't afford those shiny houses but were still getting an accepted mortgage by banks, only to have it snatched from them in a couple of years when they fell behind on payments) to be crippled for years to come. It is a serious issue over here and I know a lot of people who even have "highly regarded" jobs such as lawyers that are 30 years old and still not even close to paying their debts. And that's the ones that even have decent jobs. All this while 100 million dollars of financial aid goes unclaimed ever year (I wonder why).

Edit: Every system in the USA is built around being conducive to the rich and very difficult for the middle class/poor. Inequality has been steadily augmenting and a very wide gap has been formed for years now, and the whole opportunity ideology is not as clear cut as it seems. Tough times are in the foreseeable future for younger generations and it will be too late to do anything about it.


Edited by jacquelep - 5/7/15 at 11:35pm
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