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post #50596 of 57260
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

The trick to preventing injury in the gym is to strengthen the susceptible areas and not waste your time in a quest for mobility or do ridiculous gypsy shit like nerve flossing.

How can you strengthen an injured area or an area that is inhibited? Putting them under the bar and telling them to get stronger just doesn't work.

It was like $700 to see an ortho for my shoulder. Did jack shit. I paid $70 to see a chiro and he told me I have an ulnar nerve entrapment. Which explained a lot of things, two weeks of flossing and I was back to 100%.
post #50597 of 57260
you could've just rested it for 2 weeks and you would've been fine.

Growing muscles and/or inflammation is going to cause some nerve discomfort at some stage. Fortunately, nerves are not a series of electrical cables that require pulling through sheaths or lubrication, and even if they did, they're moving all the time anyway.

They have a degree of cellular plasticity which means they adapt to a change in their surroundings.

Why would you see an orthopaedic surgeon?
post #50598 of 57260
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

you could've just rested it for 2 weeks and you would've been fine.

Growing muscles and/or inflammation is going to cause some nerve discomfort at some stage. Fortunately, nerves are not a series of electrical cables that require pulling through sheaths or lubrication, and even if they did, they're moving all the time anyway.

They have a degree of cellular plasticity which means they adapt to a change in their surroundings.

Why would you see an orthopaedic surgeon?

I was having some terrible trap pain and shoulder ROM troubles. I thought I tore something, I have no health insurance so believe me I did the usual RICE method / rest and seeing a doctor was last resort. I've been told for some reason muscle tissue and the surrounding nerves can become very adhesive and it's something which science cannot necessarily prove. Which is why shit like foam rolling tends to help but cannot be proven. All I know is I tried everything for like 6 months and a little bit doing movements that worked my ulnar nerve were hard and very strange feeling, but after a few weeks of doing it I felt great.

But saying people need to just strengthen areas vs working on mobility stuff isn't correct. Most people cannot even take a breath in properly.
post #50599 of 57260
I realize though, you and me Hendrix have had this argument like 3x already.
post #50600 of 57260
Yeah no point going through it again, I'm glad you're happy with what you're doing.

The only proven method of injury prevention is strengthening of the muscles and tendons themselves. So that should be everyone's number one focus.
post #50601 of 57260
I agree that strength is the ultimate master. But people don't live in incubators all day in neutral than go in workout. They sit in shitty chairs, they stand with hips cocked to the side, they post up on one side of the hip while driving. These habits lead to imbalances and improper muscle firing pathways (for lack of a better word). Which is where mobility and working on using the correct muscles in the correct way come into play.
post #50602 of 57260
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post


Look it up. It's another one of those hilarious routines from the mobility crew that has zero basis in physiology.

 

Eh, it looks like stretching. Tight muscles can cause nerve pain.

 

What is piriformis syndrome for $500 please! 

 

There are other things like it too. If stretching helps, then 'flossing' will too. It's just mobility work. Some of the stuff looks like yoga and tai chi.

 

A lot of PT and rehab is getting motor patterns back to baseline.

post #50603 of 57260
Stretching does not help.

What an earth is the baseline for a motor pattern?

If you're imbalanced because you post up on one side, try...posting up on the other side...

I don't know where this idea stretching is going to address muscular imbalances comes from.
post #50604 of 57260
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

Stretching does not help.

What an earth is the baseline for a motor pattern?

If you're imbalanced because you post up on one side, try...posting up on the other side...

I don't know where this idea stretching is going to address muscular imbalances comes from.
You are so wrong.
post #50605 of 57260
Hendrix, dude i work with people that do rehab for a living. Those silly movements actually help strengthen things too. Stuart mcgills work is all about this stuff.

Saying strengthening is all there is and motor patterns don't matter is like saying you should lift to get better at speed skating. Sure it helps, but skating drills help too.

In other news, got 2x5x255 on deads today. Felt a bit sketchy at the end, so I'm probably going to switch to trying to do sets of 10 at 225 for a bit. Progress is good though. I'm happy.
post #50606 of 57260
Having been through shoulder surgery twice and knee surgery once, the stupid movements make a difference. Don't condemn everything on the basis of what you don't understand. Hint: When a baseball pitcher with a $100 million contract gets a rotator cuff tear, how does he rehab? Money's figured this stuff out, more or less.
post #50607 of 57260
Coming from someone who is published in various areas of orthopaedic/sports medicine, you'd be surprised how lacking research is in sports medicine. There are no government/pharmaceutical dollars in it

There isn't a great deal of evidence for a lot of treatments, so most decisions are made by anecdote/experience
post #50608 of 57260
One of the strongest people around right now blowing up balloons with a foam roller between his thighs. Was a big helper in fixing his herniated discs.
post #50609 of 57260
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

Saying strengthening is all there is and motor patterns don't matter is like saying you should lift to get better at speed skating. Sure it helps, but skating drills help too.
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What on earth are you talking about and what does this have to do with stretching?

Nowhere have I said anything resembling what you're saying here.
post #50610 of 57260
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Originally Posted by msg View Post

Having been through shoulder surgery twice and knee surgery once, the stupid movements make a difference. Don't condemn everything on the basis of what you don't understand. Hint: When a baseball pitcher with a $100 million contract gets a rotator cuff tear, how does he rehab? Money's figured this stuff out, more or less.

What do they do to prevent these injuries? Exercises to strengthen the rotator cuff.

And no, money hasn't figured out anything when people are still recommending nerve flossing and ART and things with no physiological basis whatsoever.

Anyway, end rant. You guys are obviously going to continue doing what you're doing and congrats on that.
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