Originally Posted by conceptionist
When I did cardio I did it right at the start of the session. I never had any problems completing the work I had planned for the session, and that was usually stationary bike or cardio before squats/bench and deads. Even if I didn't notice any real performance difference, I would rather chose lower weights than risk worse protein synthesis.
I could always do something like row -> Chest/shoulders or stairs/stationary bike -> chest/back/shoulders/arms
Just try to avoid the part worked out. I'd like to do a little running on the treadmill as well.
Originally Posted by KingJulien
Even if it's a statistically significant difference (let's say it's 1% of your gains, or something), I'd bet that the other advantages of doing cardio will outweigh it. If it's just a difference of before or after, then sure, run before, but if it's a difference of cardio or no cardio for a tiny percentage gain in strength, it seems pretty dumb to skip the run, to me. Especially if you're not nearing your biological limit for the lift.
I understand what you're saying, but you're being reductive. Why even take whey, creatine, etc etc etc.
The point is that timing for workouts, meals, etc matters and this stuff is relatively easy to change to get a better effect. Even if it's 2%, it's a pretty 'free' difference and I have no issue going for it. Doing one before the other doesn't matter that much to me 2 of 5-6 workouts a week.