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post #49246 of 57263
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

Re cycling: research has shown that there are long lasting cellular changes in athletes that dope that persist even after stop using.

So athletes that get caught, temp banned, and come back clean night never really actually be normal again.

Yeah their is a nice peptide now that permanently changes the ratio of slow to fast twitch muscle fibres in your body.
post #49247 of 57263
Aw ye getting my own flat next year because my parents are moving back to DC, but they need to keep a place of residence here so they can become citizens.
post #49248 of 57263
25" of snow in 24 hours. Spent all my money on clothes and vet bills instead of a snow blower.
Positive side; 4 hours of steady state cardio shoveling that shit.
post #49249 of 57263
I find it really annoying how "state dependent" my strength level is, a weight that feels ok one day can feel disgustingly heavy the other... Wonder if its mostly variations in calorie intake that determines it, or like having a latent cold and so on?

grinded out 5(sets)*3 deadlifts at 155 kg/342 lb today, did 6 sets much easier last week...
post #49250 of 57263
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

Re cycling: research has shown that there are long lasting cellular changes in athletes that dope that persist even after stop using.

So athletes that get caught, temp banned, and come back clean night never really actually be normal again.

There was a big debate over here in PL circles after nationals earlier this year when an older guy came back from a 10 year ban and won over the nations most promising young lifter (who I assume is drug free).

It's not only about the permanent cellular changes but also there is the fact that this guy has for one period in his life been able to train harder, recover faster and gain muscle faster than anyone else. The gains from these factors are permanent.
post #49251 of 57263
Gains from gear are definitely not permanent. Even going from a high dose to a low dose you lose strength and size, most people lose a fair bit of their strength coming off fully.
post #49252 of 57263

You aren't going to keep your full strength levels, I think the point is you will never return to baseline (where you would have been without PEDs), even after years off you will still have a higher baseline that was created by using.

I don't know, it makes sense to me based on the people I know that use, but I have no experience in it and don't really care that much, but I think that was the point that RTC and Conceptionist were making.

post #49253 of 57263
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

There was a big debate over here in PL circles after nationals earlier this year when an older guy came back from a 10 year ban and won over the nations most promising young lifter (who I assume is drug free).

It's not only about the permanent cellular changes but also there is the fact that this guy has for one period in his life been able to train harder, recover faster and gain muscle faster than anyone else. The gains from these factors are permanent.

Which comes back to what Charly said...aka, it's mostly regulated by a honor system which may or may not be a good thing when you want to see the best athletes on the platform. Not the ones that have successfully dodge the tests.
post #49254 of 57263

It's different for endurance athletes and strength athletes, but I bet there are similarities. And yes, the point I was making is that there's no return to pre-drug cellular levels.

It's not like these people are sitting on the couch for their entire ban. In cycling, for instance, you get better at lactic acid buffering and get more efficient at utilizing energy stores as you train more. Doping allows you to train more and recover faster. Do you think these people lose all the work capacity when they come off drugs? Or do you think there's a new boosted baseline established.


That's what people are saying.

Frankly, I don't care that fuji uses. He's not competing in a clean federation. If he was, then his competitors would probably care. 
 

I really don't have a horse in this race, but definitely feel for the people that try doing things the right way and are pushed to dope because of the pressure and knowledge that all their competitors are using. That's been the case time and time again in cycling and people have quit because they got as far as they could go without drugs and that was that. Really, if people are using in any sort of league that has it banned, then that's pretty sad to begin with. However, there are a lot of 'culture' issues that need to be addressed in many sports. At the end of the day it's hard when fans like the 'new' changes that keep happening while not really knowing that people aren't clean.

 

/shrug.


Edited by ridethecliche - 12/12/14 at 6:11am
post #49255 of 57263
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I really don't have a horse in this race, but definitely feel for the people that try doing things the right way and are pushed to dope because of the pressure and knowledge that all their competitors are using. That's been the case time and time again in cycling and people have quit because they got as far as they could go without drugs and that was that. Really, if people are using in any sort of league that has it banned, then that's pretty sad to begin with. However, there are a lot of 'culture' issues that need to be addressed in many sports. 

I'm very curious of the reality of doping in other sports such as basketball, waterpolo, rugby, soccer, etc. The only 'scandal' on doping seems to be always related to american football or baseball (and now cycling).
post #49256 of 57263
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

It's different for endurance athletes and strength athletes, but I bet there are similarities. And yes, the point I was making is that there's no return to pre-drug cellular levels.


It's not like these people are sitting on the couch for their entire ban. In cycling, for instance, you get better at lactic acid buffering and get more efficient at utilizing energy stores as you train more. Doping allows you to train more and recover faster. Do you think these people lose all the work capacity when they come off drugs? Or do you think there's a new boosted baseline established.


That's what people are saying.


Frankly, I don't care that fuji uses. He's not competing in a clean federation. If he was, then his competitors would probably care. 

 
I really don't have a horse in this race, but definitely feel for the people that try doing things the right way and are pushed to dope because of the pressure and knowledge that all their competitors are using. That's been the case time and time again in cycling and people have quit because they got as far as they could go without drugs and that was that. Really, if people are using in any sort of league that has it banned, then that's pretty sad to begin with. However, there are a lot of 'culture' issues that need to be addressed in many sports. At the end of the day it's hard when fans like the 'new' changes that keep happening while not really knowing that people aren't clean.

/shrug.

I once had a guy try justify to me that im cheating because other guys don't use gear who are trying to sleep with the same girls im trying to sleep with making it not fair. It was some solid logic, implying getting laid is some kind of sport. If I ever compete i'd do it in the BPU, which is untested.
post #49257 of 57263
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Originally Posted by fuji View Post

I once had a guy try justify to me that im cheating because other guys don't use gear who are trying to sleep with the same girls im trying to sleep with making it not fair. It was some solid logic, implying getting laid is some kind of sport. If I ever compete i'd do it in the BPU, which is untested.

I don't know, when I'm on cycle there are women all over me. There must be some change to your pheromones.
post #49258 of 57263
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

It's different for endurance athletes and strength athletes, but I bet there are similarities. And yes, the point I was making is that there's no return to pre-drug cellular levels.


It's not like these people are sitting on the couch for their entire ban. In cycling, for instance, you get better at lactic acid buffering and get more efficient at utilizing energy stores as you train more. Doping allows you to train more and recover faster. Do you think these people lose all the work capacity when they come off drugs? Or do you think there's a new boosted baseline established.


That's what people are saying.


Frankly, I don't care that fuji uses. He's not competing in a clean federation. If he was, then his competitors would probably care. 

 
I really don't have a horse in this race, but definitely feel for the people that try doing things the right way and are pushed to dope because of the pressure and knowledge that all their competitors are using. That's been the case time and time again in cycling and people have quit because they got as far as they could go without drugs and that was that. Really, if people are using in any sort of league that has it banned, then that's pretty sad to begin with. However, there are a lot of 'culture' issues that need to be addressed in many sports. At the end of the day it's hard when fans like the 'new' changes that keep happening while not really knowing that people aren't clean.

/shrug.

There is 100% without a doubt a long term carryover even after you come off cycle.
post #49259 of 57263

2 seconds pause bench PR @ 225x5. This bench twice a week with shit tons of sets is working!

post #49260 of 57263

Holy shit! After 10 sets of benching including 3 sets of pause reps, I hit 225x7! 

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