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Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post
 

So for you guys who drink some kind of peri shake/concoction, what is your go to?

Some of you guys mentioned gatorade and whey iso (Coldsnap I think?).

I'm about to run out of the stuff I've been using since last November, works well but is too expensive now so I'm looking for something else.

Anybody else?

 

I decided to try one of the more expensive options a while back. PeptoPro (casein hydrolysate) with Waxy Maize. Like 15-20g of PeptoPro with 25-50g of Waxy Maize. Also added a bit of L-leucine powder to boost the amino acid profile.

 

Just wanted to try to go full bro-science to see if it made any difference after reading a bunch on John Meadows site. The amounts I took were also taken from him.

 

The carbs from the Waxy Maize may have made a small difference in energy if I took it halfway through a long and demanding session (my sessions at the time were 2 hours of heavy compounds). 

 

Don't take it any longer. I just eat a solid meal 1 hour before training, sip on water during the session, and eat a large carb and protein meal when I get home.

 

If you want to take something for intra-workout, the most bang for your back is prob whey iso + dextrose powder. Fast acting protein with glucose carbs. Alternatively just drink chocolate milk.

post #48362 of 57262
Yeah that's what I used to do. I used to alternate between peptopro/hbcd's/cit malate and waxy maize/whey iso/cit mal and then last nov t-nation had some crazy coupon that must have been a mistake so I bought like 12 bottles of plazma since it was dirt cheap (like 1/3 of the price per serving as the true blends I was using.
I'm on my last bottle of that now and full price is stupid. But TRue nutritions peptopro and hbcd prices have gone up a lot since then too, so Im not sure what to go to now.
I know Meadows has a new product coming out with Prime but the price is pretty shitty for that too.
I only use it on leg days and hypertrophy days where I do tons of volume so it's lasted a while.
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Also I don't like the bloat and General discomfort that dextrose gives and drinking chocolate milk during training i can definitely see myself projectiling. I might just go back to waxy maize, it still seems relatively cheap.
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Got laid off frown.gif Decent severence though smile.gif wish my knee wasn't arsed or else i'd use this time to train a bit more.

Sucks bro
post #48365 of 57262
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Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post

So for you guys who drink some kind of peri shake/concoction, what is your go to?
Some of you guys mentioned gatorade and whey iso (Coldsnap I think?).
I'm about to run out of the stuff I've been using since last November, works well but is too expensive now so I'm looking for something else.
Anybody else?

BCAAs/Xtend. 1 scoop before, 2 scoops after.
post #48366 of 57262
Quote:
Originally Posted by OccultaVexillum View Post

So for you guys who drink some kind of peri shake/concoction, what is your go to?
Some of you guys mentioned gatorade and whey iso (Coldsnap I think?).
I'm about to run out of the stuff I've been using since last November, works well but is too expensive now so I'm looking for something else.
Anybody else?

RP has had me doing intra workout shakes for awhile. Carb contents change if I'm cutting or bulking but right now it's; Gotorade mix 129g carbs, 45g protein unflavored, leucine, creatine. Drink during workout. It works and is cheap as hell, i usually do like 80% gotorade and 20% dextrose to make it even cheaper.
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Got laid off frown.gif Decent severence though smile.gif wish my knee wasn't arsed or else i'd use this time to train a bit more.

Sorry to hear about that mang. Good luck in the job search.
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Sorry to hear that @GraphicNovelty . Any other prospects on the horizon?

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Fuck I hate getting leg cramps bench pressing.
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I hate getting poop butt after squatting.
post #48371 of 57262
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Fuck I hate getting leg cramps bench pressing.
I thought that was just me. I take that to mean I'm doing it right... whole body should be engaged in bench
post #48372 of 57262
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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

BCAAs/Xtend. 1 scoop before, 2 scoops after.

Potentially a waste of money.

Its a waste to take before the session if you eat something like at least 30-40g protein 2 hours before or closer. You still have spiked amino acids when the session start.

If you do take it before, its a waste to also take it afterwards, unless the training session last for at least 3 hours or so. Spiking MPS that frequently leads to no actual spikes of MPS. You need to give enough time for the MPS to return to base levels before you spike it again, or there won't another spike. Thats the reason why very high meal frequency (like every hour) does not result in as high spikes of MPS and therefore as much muscle mass gain as eating every third to fifth hour.
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

RP has had me doing intra workout shakes for awhile. Carb contents change if I'm cutting or bulking but right now it's; Gotorade mix 129g carbs, 45g protein unflavored, leucine, creatine. Drink during workout. It works and is cheap as hell, i usually do like 80% gotorade and 20% dextrose to make it even cheaper.

How do you determine if it works?
Do you grow more now than when you did not use it and were every other factor the same to make it a relevant comparison? Just curious.

129g cabs sounds very unnecessary unless you're carb loading for another session later during the same day.
Glycogen stores replinish enough within 8 hours with less carbs so no need to insta carb load unless you're doing twice-a-days.
post #48373 of 57262
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

Potentially a waste of money.

There is a lot of conflicting information out there about this. There are respected people who recommend BCAAs between every meal and periworkout.
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Sure, but if you already meet your protein requirements for the day, more protein will not be of any benefit for muscle gain.
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I can't speak directly on BCAA's since it's only part of the equation, but the main component of intra/peri nutrition (or at least what it is touted for the most) it's ability to improve recovery.

Mostly this is carbs like HBCD's and di/tri peptide proteins, but BCAA's I'm assuming would probably be used for the same purpose (although I don't see why you wouldn't just have whey - it's cheaper. fwiw I used to use Xtend a lot). But drinking them on their own isn't going to do shit and that seems to be the biggest misconception about it, it's the idea that it will increase recovery and reduce soreness and fatigue allowing you train more frequently with more volume, thus leading to gains simply because you have more growth periods (Assuming the wave model of progression) due to that increased frequency.

If i'm drinking carbs/protein my goal isn't to increase calories or up my macros it's to push nutrients to the muscles when the blood is pumping to facilitate recovery, which is why it's generally not neccessary for powerlifters and strength athletes - only bodybuilders and physique athletes. As much as that may sound like "bro science" there's plenty of real world applications that suggests it works.

Pretty much everything I've said comes from Milos Sarcev, Bill Willis and John Meadows, so take that how you want.

But yeah, saying it's arguably a waste of money seems to be missing the intended point of intra workout nutrition.

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