Originally Posted by conceptionist
Long time ago we had so much broscience here in a single post.
Honestly, I don't think it matters whether you eat organic or not as long as you're not in a massive calorie surplus or calorie deficit (both of those are not good for your health) and if you already eat "good" whole foods. Sure, some organic foods might have a tiny bit more nutrients than their non-organic counterparts, but if you're eating a well-balanced array of whole foods you should still hit your daily micronutrients without a problem. More nutrients will not necessarily be better at that point. What I think matters more is if you have a sedentary lifestyle, even if you lift. There's research out there indicating that you can't compensate the negative affects of a sedentary lifestyle by exercising more.
For instance: the slightly overweight female waiter than has never lifted in her entire life might very well be healthier than the teenage guy who's on a 6-split program taking amphetamine-like PWO:s before every session and sitting by his computer all day.
My opinion is, looking exceptionally fit or having a great physique is not a "one size fits all" kind of endeavor. People are unique and vary in opinions and in ways of doing things. What matters to me is that I believe in my way of doing things and that the results speak--louder than any words or research or "broscience."
You mention the importance of "calorie surplus" and "calorie deficit." Personally speaking, I never count calories. Even though I know people who count their calories and succeed from doing it, I have no idea how many specific calories I need to lose or gain weight.
I do have a pretty good idea, though, of what keeps me looking lean and muscular: 5-6 meals per day; 5-6 low-fat protein servings per day (fist sized); 3-4 carb servings per day; 3 fat servings per day; no alcohol; no soda; no processed foods; organic whenever possible; unlimited green veggies; gallon of water per day; green unsweetened tea only; plant-based protein shakes only.
Doing things in my own way might not validate the "proven research," but it has yielded the best results for ME. In 8 weeks, I dropped my weight from 220 to 200 and my BF from 20% to about 10%.
But I'm not saying my way is the only way. I'm sure your way works, too, assuming you follow an exercise and diet program and you're dialed into them.
Here's a "before" photo of me, taken about 12 months ago. I weighed 220 lbs. with an estimated BF of 20%. My opinion of myself is, I look muscular and beefy in the t-shirt, but I can see a bit of a gut, and my face looks round and full, too:
Here's what I look like now, at about 200 lbs. and around 10% BF; I see my face looking more defined, as do my back and abs, yet I've retained plenty enough muscle mass for my liking:
I never believed in organic foods, but I do now. Grass-fed beef; pole-caught tuna, organic brown rice, organic veggies, etc. I buy foods that have the organic label on them. But I also know that a lot of people don't believe in organic and/or don't want to spend the extra $$$$.
My opinion is, if you eat the "right" foods with minimal ingredients, and eat them consistently, you'll get results.
Edited by Espi1971 - 10/6/14 at 3:31pm