Originally Posted by MarkI
Fuji, you look pretty good now and all, but do you really think you needed to get on gear to get that way? Seems like you have a physique, that while difficult to attain natty, is totally possible. Worth all the possible health repercussions to get there quicker?
Whilst I probably could look like this natty I doubt I ever would have gotten there. I've put on like 25lb of lean tissue, that would have taken a long as fuck time to put on that much tissue and lose a fair bit of body fat. I also do this fairly safely with the getting blood work done and everything. Bloods have actually improved since when I was natty because I used to not do so much cardio nor would I ever consider eating this clean. In terms of this physical sides like gyno and hair loss ive never gotten any of those except a tiny bit of bacne. I don't really have any interest in looking that much bigger, maybe another 10lb of lean mass so I'm 200lb and 8% instead of 190lb, but I don't ever want to look non natty.
Originally Posted by conceptionist
I didn't have as much mass as Fuji has, but I got that lean or maybe even a bit leaner last year all natty. Was a pain in the ass at times, but you can do it if you want to.
You have to consider that Fuji and I sort of have this look already. Somewhat lean naturally, the frame with broad shoulders, long limbs, small wrist and we're tall. Not taking away from the work, but that does play role. Also not saying that you won't look aesthetic, just that you can't expect to look like someone else. I see so many guys asking "when will I look like Zyzz?". You won't because your not him.
So much this, I have a friend whose forever like will cut and be zyzz mode. He's about 90kg at 5'9" or something and shredded to shit. Looks like a tank and is strong as fuck, but not on that wide shoulder tiny waist time.
still looks pretty good though, doesn't look in any way natty in person.