I don't think either of you are helping the cause..
This is very relevant right now..
First article I do not agree with completely: http://bretcontreras.com/youre-all-a-bunch-of-pathetic-weaklings-says-the-steroid-using-powerlifter/
I agree with the rebuttal 100%: http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2014/06/hey-bret-youre-just-little-off-here.html
i'm just trolling, slow work day. brett contreras looks like shit so his article is ass wipe to me. at a certain point, lifting natural is like playing catch without a glove. lifting geared is sometimes like playing catch without balls though.
steroids aren't a cure all. countless baseball players took them and it didn't help the vast majority much.