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post #45436 of 57176
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

What is your training cycle.... not the specifics but just the general philosophy and scheme

Generally, if I have about 5-6 months before a meet, this is what will happen..

- 8+ weeks of 5-6 days/week: high volume, nothing heavy
- 10-14 weeks of 4 days/week: heavy rep work, starts off a bit lower and a bit over halfway through I aim to start breaking 5RM and 3RM rep PR's week after week
- 1 week off
- 6 weeks of 4 days/week: overload cycle (aka meet prep)
- meet
post #45437 of 57176
This is around I did not have time for the volume.. thus I am feeling quite beat up as that gives my body a break to recover all minor injuries
post #45438 of 57176
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Originally Posted by barrelntrigger View Post

I don't know, they don't look all that strong to me. Maybe the last guy...











3rd guy is wearing a squat suit so who cares, 4th guy is pretty fucking huge for how much weight he's deadlifting, that's like maybe 10kg more then me and he's got a shit load more muscle, I wish I looked like that. 2nd guy is I think Tim henriques whose a 220lb lifter so it's not like he's a small guy, first guy is eric cressey and yeah he's not very big, but outside of charly i'm pretty sure he's bigger then anyone else in this thread who regularly posts.
post #45439 of 57176
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post

This is around I did not have time for the volume.. thus I am feeling quite beat up as that gives my body a break to recover all minor injuries
Can you explain this further.... this is my biggest hurdle in PLing; managing fatigue (and consequently avoiding injuries)

I'm good for like a month of heavy deads before my CNS starts crying uncle.
post #45440 of 57176
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post

Then you're doing it wrong.

All powerlifters I know, including myself, utilize volume/bb training between heavy training cycles to give themselves a break.

99% of people would break down and cry in the middle of my heavy training cycles. Probably just quit after I wrapped one of their knees haha

So what you're saying is that powerlifters train like bodybuilders at times because it's a lot easier? nest.gif

Seriously, though... I think the reality is that there are similar training aspects across all three sports. People just refine certain parts to reflect their desired training goals.

Plus, I think I've mentioned this before, but I believe anyone in any of the three sports could gain from incorporating aspects of the others. Snatch-style exercises are great for upper back and shoulder development, for instance. Low-bar powerlifting squats are great for hip and hammie strength. Etc, so on and so forth.
post #45441 of 57176
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

Can you explain this further.... this is my biggest hurdle in PLing; managing fatigue (and consequently avoiding injuries)

I'm good for like a month of heavy deads before my CNS starts crying uncle.

I do a few months of pure volume to give my body a rest and then I start going heavy but I start maybe 15% off of my rep PR and build up slowly every week. Maybe only 10 pounds a week for squat/dead.

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Originally Posted by speedy4500 View Post

So what you're saying is that powerlifters train like bodybuilders at times because it's a lot easier? nest.gif

heh I honestly thing training wise, it's a lot harder on your body..

but overall, I think both sports are equally as difficult since for bodybuilding there is the whole dieting aspect of it involved.. seems to consume more of your lifestyle.
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The hard part of bodybuilding(competitively, at least) is the diet. The training is fun.
post #45443 of 57176

Kunk - for me, I like the way I look now. I could look leaner but switching programs isn't going to help with that.  I got into lifting so I could build a good strength base and then pick up other sports, like climbing, fighting, yoga, surfing, whatever, not to look huge or lift a ton of weight. I don't really do powerlifting anyway, though, since I do the big compounds in the ~5 rep range and everything else in the 8-15 range, and never 1RM.

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Uh oh, stronglifts is in an iPhone fitness commercial. Prepare for the shark to be jumped
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All this talk of BB'ing vs. PL'ing... might as well throw my $.02 into the mix. I consider myself more of a bodybuilder (recreational), but I also happen to really enjoy training the big 3 for strength. I can see the appeal and benefits of both bodybuilding and powerlifting, and I guess that's why I train in a hybrid manner of sorts. In my mind, it's the best of both worlds: aesthetics and strength. Besides, you can't really completely separate the two; it's a bit of a false dichotomy. Size and strength go hand-in-hand (to an extent). Of course, these sentiments are far from novel, as I gather that most posters in this thread feel similarly, with a few who strongly gravitate toward one sport vs. the other. At the end of the day, just train consistently and hard with whatever style of lifting you enjoy the most, and you'll be miles ahead of the general, non-lifting population in terms of strength and aesthetics. No need to bash a certain style of training just because it's not to your liking.... unless it's CrossFit. Or P90X. Or Insanity. Or an endurance sport. Or...
Edited by Evolve - 6/22/14 at 3:56pm
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Realistically, I wonder what % of coached powerlifters train only the big three in a 3RM - esque scheme. It seems that everything has moved to periodization, where people do higher rep work (Base) to put down a base and nail down technique before starting to do the lower rep maxes closer to a meet. The 'base' phase would also have a lot more accessory work.


Also, I really don't understand the BB vs PL shenanigans here. Oly lifters look great and they don't do more than accessory work. Hell, rowers have an incredible physique for the most part and they don't lift stupid heavy.

post #45447 of 57176
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

Realistically, I wonder what % of coached powerlifters train only the big three in a 3RM - esque scheme. It seems that everything has moved to periodization, where people do higher rep work (Base) to put down a base and nail down technique before starting to do the lower rep maxes closer to a meet. The 'base' phase would also have a lot more accessory work.


Also, I really don't understand the BB vs PL shenanigans here. Oly lifters look great and they don't do more than accessory work. Hell, rowers have an incredible physique for the most part and they don't lift stupid heavy.

Moved? Periodization has been been around forever wink.gif

I don't understand this statement "Oly lifters look great and they don't do more than accessory work".. anything other than main movements are considered "accessory work" so in turn you are saying, "Oly lifters look great and they don't do more than ANYTHING ELSE POSSIBLE" haha
post #45448 of 57176
I know it has been around forever, which is why it's likely that only some uncoached individuals aren't using it.

The main pl and oly lifts are different. Point was that they aren't spending hours doing curls and leg presses.

I think the bb vs pl infighting is hilariously asinine.
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On the training front, back after a week away. Gotta hit that post vacay diet hard. Bleh.
post #45450 of 57176
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

I know it has been around forever, which is why it's likely that only some uncoached individuals aren't using it.

The main pl and oly lifts are different. Point was that they aren't spending hours doing curls and leg presses.

I think the bb vs pl infighting is hilariously asinine.

+1 on that the distinction between BB and PL training is unnecessary. For raw lifters, strength and size seems to be more correlated than for enhanced guys. There's good principles from both worlds.

The definition of accessory movement seems to be quite vague or misunderstood. Its not like only machines and movements very far removed from the competition lifts are accessories, but every single lift that is not the competition lifts in their strictest form is accessories.

The majority of my lifts are not competition squat, bench w/ pause or conv deadlifts, but box squats, high bar squats, front squats, tng bench, db bench, ohp, pin press, rdl, deficit dl, snatch grip dl. Those are all accessories despite being close variants of the competition lifts. Imo, a powerlifter do not need to spend a ton of time on tricep ext and leg extensions although they certainly have their place in the routine as a whole. I do those regularily too, but I have more focus on lifts that mimic the competition lifts and that target my specific weaknesses in those.

Charly's periodization breakdown seems pretty spot on for me too. I am currently in the first phase he wrote: 5-6 days a week, high volume and lower intensity. The only difference between us seems to be how we split our training sessions (I do full body atm) and what lifts we use, but I could be wrong here.

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