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post #44611 of 49344
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Originally Posted by K. Nights View Post

To be fair, you aren't going to be at a "competitive" level lifting twice a week either.

This.
I don't know why, but people in the lifting world has this aversion or idea that you don't have to train much to become really good at it. Its like with lifting you can get away with training like shit and not putting any real time in.

"Don't lift for more than 45 minutes at a time or you'll go catabolic" etc...

I can't speak for Bodybuilding, but for powerlifting the really great guys train a ton more than your average trainee. The competetive guys in my club (world record bench presser, 2 national winners 225 class, 2 junior winners in national bench press) train 4-6 times a week at 2-4 hours a time.

Sure, you don't need that much from the beginning, it might even be counter productive. But if you have big goals you have to train a lot eventually and take it seriously just like any other sports athlete.

SL5x5 will get you strong to a certain point but if you would train more, you would prob also get stronger, you just have to accept that the marginal benefit curve of that extra workout time starts to flatten out after a certain threshold.
post #44612 of 49344
Are we talking BB or PL competition here?
post #44613 of 49344
goddamn master plan failed. organized an after work for all the new interns yesterday, we're trying to hook our guy up with a girl from the other research department, there's a pool going. none of the women attended. fucking interns
post #44614 of 49344
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Originally Posted by Crat View Post

Are we talking BB or PL competition here?

I'm talking about competitive powerlifters.

My guess is still that serious bodybuilders train a ton more than most guys think.

 

I should add that this was not aimed at Mark or anyone else who doesn't want/can't train as much as they used to.

 

I'm only saying that if you want to be your best, you have to put the time in. Its totally fine to not devote a lot of time and effort to lifting, but then you have to to accept that there will be people out there who will out work you. Many successful people in the lifting world don't talk about how much they train, but training with these guys regularly, I can say its a lot.

 

I would also say that non-enhanced lifters have to train more and harder for the same results as enhanced guys. It seems obvious but its really not, since many new lifters take advice from enhanced lifters and think that their methods applies to them and that they will get the same results.

 

If you're just a recreational lifter who wants to be fit/look good/get decently strong, thats another thing.

post #44615 of 49344
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

This.
I don't know why, but people in the lifting world has this aversion or idea that you don't have to train much to become really good at it. Its like with lifting you can get away with training like shit and not putting any real time in.

"Don't lift for more than 45 minutes at a time or you'll go catabolic" etc...

I can't speak for Bodybuilding, but for powerlifting the really great guys train a ton more than your average trainee. The competetive guys in my club (world record bench presser, 2 national winners 225 class, 2 junior winners in national bench press) train 4-6 times a week at 2-4 hours a time.

Sure, you don't need that much from the beginning, it might even be counter productive. But if you have big goals you have to train a lot eventually and take it seriously just like any other sports athlete.

SL5x5 will get you strong to a certain point but if you would train more, you would prob also get stronger, you just have to accept that the marginal benefit curve of that extra workout time starts to flatten out after a certain threshold.

I meant even to maintain.

However I should probably refrain from posting drunk epiphanies. Haha.
post #44616 of 49344
@conceptionist, I agree with what you are saying.
The only scenario I see where training 2x week for a competition might work is BB if you had put on sufficient mass and were cutting down on a PSMF diet or so.
post #44617 of 49344
You could do twice a week for bb if you've got your drugs dialed. What was the name of that body builder who used to go like once or twice a week and fall asleep between sets?
post #44618 of 49344
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post


I meant even to maintain.

However I should probably refrain from posting drunk epiphanies. Haha.

I wasn't directing my comments to anyone here, it was just a response to a general mindset I've noticed in the lifting world.

 

But yeah, while I don't know much about training for endurance sports, I imagine that training is more time consuming than lifting. Most of that prob comes down to the nature of the sport and of how the competitions are set up.

 

I mean, if the competition element in endurance sports last for several hours (like running a marathon) of course thats gonna be reflected in the length of the training sessions. In powerlifting, you compete on one lift, which you literally have one minute to do, so the individual training sessions are therefore gonna be shorter.

 

On the other hand, powerlifting is also a very small sport. I think that the genetically best strength athletes gravitate towards other sports where there's more money, like American football, wrestling or rugby. I think the training and mentality in powerlifting is gonna change in the coming years as the sport gets more coverage and gets a bigger pool of people.

 

In countries like Russia and Ukraine, weightlifting and powerlifting is actually pretty mainstream sports unlike in US. Their best strength athletes generally pursue weightlifting or powerlifting instead of football or rugby. This is just a guess, but I think thats one of the reasons the have such a calculated and scientific training method (Sheiko, smolov, all the great russian strength litterature), while US lifters still in many regards rely on Bodybuilding myths from magazines and Broscience (with some exceptions).

 

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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

You could do twice a week for bb if you've got your drugs dialed. What was the name of that body builder who used to go like once or twice a week and fall asleep between sets?

Yeah, thats what I meant about raw lifters having to work more for the same results as enhanced lifters.

post #44619 of 49344



Abs are such a fucking pain in the ass to get.
post #44620 of 49344
Wish I was as big as you, maybe I'm just fucking fat.

New gym is awesome, gonna cancel my old gym membership in a couple days and go to this one for free. Wanted to make sure nobody would bitch at me for deadlifting before I made the commitment. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #44621 of 49344
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post




Abs are such a fucking pain in the ass to get.

What kind of diet are ya running?
post #44622 of 49344
At the beach. Zero dudes who lift here, sucks that I was on my way to finally looking half decent and got derailed again. Motivation for rehab though. /feels
post #44623 of 49344
Bro it's not a rehab if it takes more than a year :P
post #44624 of 49344
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

Bro it's not a rehab if it takes more than a year :P

 

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post #44625 of 49344
6 months at this point. What if its more than a year? Lost cause? Lol frown.gif
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