Random health and exercise thoughts - Page 2975
I'm talking about competitive powerlifters.
My guess is still that serious bodybuilders train a ton more than most guys think.
I should add that this was not aimed at Mark or anyone else who doesn't want/can't train as much as they used to.
I'm only saying that if you want to be your best, you have to put the time in. Its totally fine to not devote a lot of time and effort to lifting, but then you have to to accept that there will be people out there who will out work you. Many successful people in the lifting world don't talk about how much they train, but training with these guys regularly, I can say its a lot.
I would also say that non-enhanced lifters have to train more and harder for the same results as enhanced guys. It seems obvious but its really not, since many new lifters take advice from enhanced lifters and think that their methods applies to them and that they will get the same results.
If you're just a recreational lifter who wants to be fit/look good/get decently strong, thats another thing.
I don't know why, but people in the lifting world has this aversion or idea that you don't have to train much to become really good at it. Its like with lifting you can get away with training like shit and not putting any real time in.
"Don't lift for more than 45 minutes at a time or you'll go catabolic" etc...
I can't speak for Bodybuilding, but for powerlifting the really great guys train a ton more than your average trainee. The competetive guys in my club (world record bench presser, 2 national winners 225 class, 2 junior winners in national bench press) train 4-6 times a week at 2-4 hours a time.
Sure, you don't need that much from the beginning, it might even be counter productive. But if you have big goals you have to train a lot eventually and take it seriously just like any other sports athlete.
SL5x5 will get you strong to a certain point but if you would train more, you would prob also get stronger, you just have to accept that the marginal benefit curve of that extra workout time starts to flatten out after a certain threshold.
I meant even to maintain.
However I should probably refrain from posting drunk epiphanies. Haha.
I wasn't directing my comments to anyone here, it was just a response to a general mindset I've noticed in the lifting world.
But yeah, while I don't know much about training for endurance sports, I imagine that training is more time consuming than lifting. Most of that prob comes down to the nature of the sport and of how the competitions are set up.
I mean, if the competition element in endurance sports last for several hours (like running a marathon) of course thats gonna be reflected in the length of the training sessions. In powerlifting, you compete on one lift, which you literally have one minute to do, so the individual training sessions are therefore gonna be shorter.
On the other hand, powerlifting is also a very small sport. I think that the genetically best strength athletes gravitate towards other sports where there's more money, like American football, wrestling or rugby. I think the training and mentality in powerlifting is gonna change in the coming years as the sport gets more coverage and gets a bigger pool of people.
In countries like Russia and Ukraine, weightlifting and powerlifting is actually pretty mainstream sports unlike in US. Their best strength athletes generally pursue weightlifting or powerlifting instead of football or rugby. This is just a guess, but I think thats one of the reasons the have such a calculated and scientific training method (Sheiko, smolov, all the great russian strength litterature), while US lifters still in many regards rely on Bodybuilding myths from magazines and Broscience (with some exceptions).
Yeah, thats what I meant about raw lifters having to work more for the same results as enhanced lifters.