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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

i'm not talking about calories burned but calories consumed

you can set a daily goal in MFP but you can't have it change on a daily basis which is what i want

 

But you can just say you burned x calories on the days you worked out, where x is the extra you want to eat.

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Ah I see
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Originally Posted by Pitman View Post

FYI
Tyler Durden is my ideal goal physique.

fuck you
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I am going full bodybuilder split for the foreseeable future. My aesthetic goals are far outweighing my desire to be insanely strong.
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

I am going full bodybuilder split for the foreseeable future. My aesthetic goals are far outweighing my desire to be insanely strong.
What are you doing for legs
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Originally Posted by Cool The Kid View Post

What are you doing for legs

i'm planning on high rep back squats not focusing on weight, hack squat, lunges and glute ham raise and a shit load of calf raises for now. I will definitely need to adjust and there will be a learning curve. What i have learned is the best strength builders do not equal the best mass builders and i want to look good more than i want to break world records.
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Picsssss, or alternatively let's train again. I go to the Y in arverne now, gotta bunch of guest passes. Crowd would be blown away by a white boy of your caliber :|
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Anytime I squat less than 3 days a week, my squat tanks as well as all do my other lifts. What do?
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Originally Posted by Eason View Post

"squat....3 days a week.....?"

Just keep doing it (unless I missed some injury you got or something); if the workload is too heavy, go light and do technique work one of the days or swap in a variation (pause, front etc.).

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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

I am going full bodybuilder split for the foreseeable future. My aesthetic goals are far outweighing my desire to be insanely strong.
Thing is that it still hasn't been shown that a lower frequency and higher volume per session (not per week), like how BB splits are constructed, will lead to more mass gains. The opposite has been shown.

Now, you are enhanced (test right?) but for raw lifters I think below 2x frequency is just a waste of time unless you can't recover, which you def should be able to. That said you have more potential to make it work with the help of test but it'd be interesting to see the size gains of a enhanced lifter on a higher frequency program.
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Picsssss, or alternatively let's train again. I go to the Y in arverne now, gotta bunch of guest passes. Crowd would be blown away by a white boy of your caliber :|

I'm down for another training session soon.

Conceptionist, I don't like vague terms like "it hasn't been shown". Personally I know maybe twenty people who are massive who train in the exact way you say isn't optimal. As far as bodybuilding goes id rather trust veterans over research I don't even know the source of.
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You could look at Michael Israetels video about training frequency that was posted here a while back. Renaissance periodization on youtube. The video series is for powerlifters but frequency of training should be about the same, just diffeent exercis eselection and technique. Then you have that Norwegian Frequency Project study which I've also brought up a couple of times. It a pretty known fact that muscle protein synthesis is elevated for only 48-72 hours so you could hit the same muscle again after that instead of waiting longer.

I'm not trying to convince you and I know tons of people who are big on BB splits. I'm just tired of this broad generalization that BB splits and "BB training" equals aesthetics and that powerlifting training does not make you aesthetic. The only difference imo between the two kinds of people is that powerlifters carry a bit higher fat than bodybuilders and that the most successful bodybuilders have better genetics for looking good and use more drugs and stuff like synthol. Look at lean powerlifters like Dan Green, Pete Rubish etc and they pretty much look like bodybuilders but are also insanely strong.
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

You could look at Michael Israetels video about training frequency that was posted here a while back. Renaissance periodization on youtube. The video series is for powerlifters but frequency of training should be about the same, just diffeent exercis eselection and technique. Then you have that Norwegian Frequency Project study which I've also brought up a couple of times. It a pretty known fact that muscle protein synthesis is elevated for only 48-72 hours so you could hit the same muscle again after that instead of waiting longer.

I'm not trying to convince you and I know tons of people who are big on BB splits. I'm just tired of this broad generalization that BB splits and "BB training" equals aesthetics and that powerlifting training does not make you aesthetic. The only difference imo between the two kinds of people is that powerlifters carry a bit higher fat than bodybuilders and that the most successful bodybuilders have better genetics for looking good and use more drugs and stuff like synthol. Look at lean powerlifters like Dan Green, Pete Rubish etc and they pretty much look like bodybuilders but are also insanely strong.

First of all: http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2013/08/09/dan-green-on-bodybuilding-for-powerlifting/

Second of all if you think that top level powerlifters aren't using just as much gear as bodybuilders than idk what to tell you.

A great example of heavy weight high volume being the best mass builder would be to look at every single strongman competitor. They are all yoked up and train high reps.
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My upper body training is more based around a bodybuilding style. Lower body is always heavy and it will never be any other way for me, but my upper body seems to respond better to the higher reps and shorter rest periods.

http://www.seriouspowerlifting.com/3247/mens-interviews/seriouspowerlifting-interview-with-pete-rubish

The reason they look like bodybuilders is they are training like bodybuilders.
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Originally Posted by tesseract View Post

First of all: http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2013/08/09/dan-green-on-bodybuilding-for-powerlifting/

Second of all if you think that top level powerlifters aren't using just as much gear as bodybuilders than idk what to tell you.

A great example of heavy weight high volume being the best mass builder would be to look at every single strongman competitor. They are all yoked up and train high reps.

You're misunderstanding me.

I've read that article too many times. Dan Green certainly use various BBing methods but he still has a much higher frequency and specificity to his training than the typical bodybuilder doing a 5-split. Dan green has templates with up to 4 times squatting a week. He has several timed voiced his opinion against the powerlifting program with the most focus on isolation movements and that muscles growth drives the big three up, which is the Westside method. There's another article by him on that site where he basically said that assistance work such as JM presses and reverse hypers didn't do as much for his bench and squat as simply benching and squatting more often, that is increasing frequency.

I did not say tht top powerlifters use less performance enhancing drugs. I said that bodybuilders have better genetics for looking good and use synthol and muscle "ballooning" drugs which powerlifters don't and that is the main reason professional bodybuilders look better, not because their training method is superior.

More frequency does not equal less volume. In fact, look at Stronglifts 5x5, whick many people see as a low volume program. 3 days of squatting 5 sets and every other training day deadlifting 1 top set equals 15 or 16 heavy compound sets a week. That's not too far off what tou would do on a leg day with a 5-split or whatever. With stronglifts (or any other sinilar program) you could easily add in 3-5 sets of lounges every session and you now have over 30 sets for legs every week spread over 3 sessions. 30 sets on one leg day will not be as productive as your overall intensity will go down due to fatigue and tou will have higher DOMS and more fatigue as a result of the extreme volume in one session. This is just ny view on the subject and what I percieve as benefits of a spread out volume over more sessions.

Strongmen do have lower frequency with their sports specific "event training" but that's mostly because the strongman lifts / exercises are extremely CNS demanding with tons of very carries and deadlift variations. High frequency event training would burn most people out too fast.
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