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post #41116 of 57263
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

Going from 3000+ to 2300 cals suckssss.

Why doesn't someone make a creatine powder that actually fully dissolves? It can't be impossible. This gritty shit makes me wanna barf

Creatine ethyl ester fully dissolves..... but that stuff takes like death unless you put some crystal light lemonade/pink lemonade in there.. then it ain't too bad
post #41117 of 57263
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post

Creatine ethyl ester fully dissolves..... but that stuff takes like death unless you put some crystal light lemonade/pink lemonade in there.. then it ain't too bad

I'm so sensitive to this shit that I put creatine in my coffee and even though it fully dissolves while it's hot, it makes the coffee subtly taste different enough that I have trouble drinking it. Fucking weird.

It can't be that hard to create a soluble creatine that doesn't taste like ass, I could be a billionaire...
post #41118 of 57263
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post


I'd argue that low test for a man is much more dangerous than slightly high test levels.

Heavily over-prescribed? Are we talking about anti-depressants here? lol

Btw, we're just talking about test cyp (enth and ace) here.. not tren/dbol/halo or anything like that.

I don't see anything unsafe about bringing low test levels up to mid-high range with a bit of test if you are not happy with your current levels. Low levels, for some, bring on low confidence issues, depression, and other health issues.

 

They are aggressively marketed, leading a lot of 40+ y/o men going through a natural response to being older with a sedentary lifestyle to ask their doctors for a T prescription when what they actually need is to go for a run a couple times a week.  Testosterone is not really a safe chemical, it's the reason men have significantly lower life expectencies than women (and that's at natural levels). It increases risk of heart attack, stroke, and certain forms of cancer:

 

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On January 29, 2014, PLOS One published a new study on testosterone replacement and heart disease. According to researchers from the University of Texas, men 65 years and older who took testosterone injections or used testosterone gel had double the risk of going through a heart attack in the months after starting the treatment. In addition, men of all ages who used testosterone therapy had a 30 percent increased risk of suffering a heart attack, stroke, or death, compared to those who didn’t use the therapy.

 

I haven't really looked into it much further than that - all I'm saying is do your research.  The FDA hasn't recalled T therapy but they have issued a warning to doctors.  A 30% increased risk of heart attack at 25 or whatever may be acceptable risk, since not many people that age have heart attacks, but still.  If his doctor is hesitant to prescribe it, there's a good reason.

post #41119 of 57263
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

I'm so sensitive to this shit that I put creatine in my coffee and even though it fully dissolves while it's hot, it makes the coffee subtly taste different enough that I have trouble drinking it. Fucking weird.

It can't be that hard to create a soluble creatine that doesn't taste like ass, I could be a billionaire...

I think it's the same as asking someone to make glucose not sweet at all.. but if you find out a way, you could prob make some money off of it.
post #41120 of 57263
I've been taking mine w/ my intraworkout BCAAs and just give it a shake before I take a swig.
post #41121 of 57263
BCAAs + Creatine + Gatorade Power during workout is beast.

My left leg IT band is fucking with me, giving me trouble. Best thing to do for this is foam roll and stretch, yes?
post #41122 of 57263
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Originally Posted by KingJulien View Post

They are aggressively marketed, leading a lot of 40+ y/o men going through a natural response to being older with a sedentary lifestyle to ask their doctors for a T prescription when what they actually need is to go for a run a couple times a week.  Testosterone is not really a safe chemical, it's the reason men have significantly lower life expectencies than women (and that's at natural levels). It increases risk of heart attack, stroke, and certain forms of cancer:


I haven't really looked into it much further than that - all I'm saying is do your research.  The FDA hasn't recalled T therapy but they have issued a warning to doctors.  A 30% increased risk of heart attack at 25 or whatever may be acceptable risk, since not many people that age have heart attacks, but still.  If his doctor is hesitant to prescribe it, there's a good reason.


Aggressively marketed? Yes, I agree that the T gel is.. I see a bunch of commercials for it. But I didn't argue that. I argued that they're not being "heavily over-prescribed". The vast majority of people on HRT/TRT and other boards pertaining to use get denied by doctors unless they have very low test. Also, I didn't mean to include T gel in the convo - I'd heard they have a lot of sides. I just meant injectable T.

I'd argue test is safe if you're taking it to bring levels up to normal levels (600-700). Better outlook on life, better sex drive, less chance of infertility, etc.

If you're basing testosterone on not being safe because of survival (difference in men and women) and not "living", then I can't really debate this with you. It's nature that gives men more test, what do you want me to say? lol

As for cancer? Can you direct me to a study that says that? I'm honestly curious because all the data I've seen is inconclusive and/or points to TRT NOT affecting risk levels of cancer. http://www.lef.org/newsletter/2013/0604_Study-Finds-No-Increase-In-Cancer-In-Association-With-Testosterone-Replacement-Therapy.htm

Same goes for heart attack/stroke. I can't find any study that has more test = increased risk. Plain and simple. The closest thing I found was that if men under the age of 65 had TRT AND had a history of heart disease, their risk of heart attack doubled. But if they didn't have any history of heart disease, there was no impact.

As you state, 30% increased risk of heart attack at 25 for a male without heart disease is pretty insignificant imo if that means a better mood and other health benefits.
post #41123 of 57263
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Originally Posted by MarkI View Post

BCAAs + Creatine + Gatorade Power during workout is beast.

My left leg IT band is fucking with me, giving me trouble. Best thing to do for this is foam roll and stretch, yes?

Yep, and some lacrosse ball shit helps too.

My right one makes me knee hurt.
post #41124 of 57263
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Originally Posted by MarkI View Post

BCAAs + Creatine + Gatorade Power during workout is beast.

My left leg IT band is fucking with me, giving me trouble. Best thing to do for this is foam roll and stretch, yes?

Yes. You might not even need to foam roll if you consistently stretch.

Also check your shoes. I get IT band pain when I'm wearing shoes that make me stand funny.
post #41125 of 57263
I cry tears of joy when I do Limber 11 each workout day. Damn is it painful though.
post #41126 of 57263
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post


Aggressively marketed? Yes, I agree that the T gel is.. I see a bunch of commercials for it. But I didn't argue that. I argued that they're not being "heavily over-prescribed". The vast majority of people on HRT/TRT and other boards pertaining to use get denied by doctors unless they have very low test. Also, I didn't mean to include T gel in the convo - I'd heard they have a lot of sides. I just meant injectable T.

I'd argue test is safe if you're taking it to bring levels up to normal levels (600-700). Better outlook on life, better sex drive, less chance of infertility, etc.

If you're basing testosterone on not being safe because of survival (difference in men and women) and not "living", then I can't really debate this with you. It's nature that gives men more test, what do you want me to say? lol

As for cancer? Can you direct me to a study that says that? I'm honestly curious because all the data I've seen is inconclusive and/or points to TRT NOT affecting risk levels of cancer. http://www.lef.org/newsletter/2013/0604_Study-Finds-No-Increase-In-Cancer-In-Association-With-Testosterone-Replacement-Therapy.htm

Same goes for heart attack/stroke. I can't find any study that has more test = increased risk. Plain and simple. The closest thing I found was that if men under the age of 65 had TRT AND had a history of heart disease, their risk of heart attack doubled. But if they didn't have any history of heart disease, there was no impact.

As you state, 30% increased risk of heart attack at 25 for a male without heart disease is pretty insignificant imo if that means a better mood and other health benefits.

 

A lot of doctors think it's being over-prescribed for the target market (men over 40):

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Don't get me wrong. The medical experts interviewed for this article emphasized that low testosterone -- also known as hypogonadism or hypotestosteronemia -- is real for a slim percentage of men. They hastened to add, however, that a normal "T" level for one man may be low for another.

According to British Medical Journal (BMJ), the European Male Ageing Study has provided the best estimate of the prevalence of low T -- defined as a combination of sexual symptoms and measured testosterone level -- finding that only 0.1 percent of men in their forties, 0.6 percent in their fifties, 3.2 percent in their sixties, and 5.1 percent of men in their seventies would meet the criteria for the diagnosis. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/04/should-the-modern-man-be-taking-testosterone/274663/

 

But yeah, I'm talking about the gel here.  Again, I don't think there is any conclusive evidence either way for younger men with no prior history:

 

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In 2010, a study by the National Institute on Aging (NIA) was stopped early because men receiving testosterone were more likely to suffer cardiovascular-related events. There are other examples, but what we’re missing, according to the Endocrine Society, is large scale, prospective, randomized controlled trials, particularly with older participants.

“Until evidence from large randomized trials becomes available,” it states, “the Endocrine Society believes that patients should be made aware of the potential risk of cardiovascular events in middle-aged and older men who are taking or considering testosterone therapy for age-related decline in testosterone levels and symptoms.” It goes on to advise physicians to talk plainly about the risks of the therapy before prescribing it, especially in men with pre-existing heart disease.

 

Personally, if I had really low T levels at my age, I think I would look into treatment for bringing it up to normal levels.  So ultimately we agree.  It's just something that we don't really have enough information on regarding risk, yet.

post #41127 of 57263
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Originally Posted by KingJulien View Post

A lot of doctors think it's being over-prescribed for the target market (men over 40):

But yeah, I'm talking about the gel here.  Again, I don't think there is any conclusive evidence either way for younger men with no prior history:


Personally, if I had really low T levels at my age, I think I would look into treatment for bringing it up to normal levels.  So ultimately we agree.  It's just something that we don't really have enough information on regarding risk, yet.

I do agree that there isn't enough studies done on it. I am hopeful that if and when there are more studies done it in, a bit of the stigma surrounding testosterone supplementation will be lifted.
post #41128 of 57263
Btw, weird you guys.. KingJulien and I had a civil discussion about a RHET-related topic and we came to an understanding without flinging shit at the walls.

Maybe there is hope for the rest of you. lol8[1].gif
post #41129 of 57263
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Originally Posted by mrchariybrown View Post

I'd argue that low test for a man is much more dangerous than slightly high test levels.

Heavily over-prescribed? Are we talking about anti-depressants here? lol

Btw, we're just talking about test cyp (enth and ace) here.. not tren/dbol/halo or anything like that.

I don't see anything unsafe about bringing low test levels up to mid-high range with a bit of test if you are not happy with your current levels. Low levels, for some, bring on low confidence issues, depression, and other health issues.

Ace gets prescribed for trt? Wat? Would not want to pin every day for trt.
post #41130 of 57263
Fell back asleep, but caught up. Still trying to figure out what to do, not something I wanted to have to do, might try it though to be honest. Won't be touching gels. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which extra test wouldn't make you feel better, so I just need to figure out what's adequate. I googled the stroke thing and found a newspaper article that referenced a study done on men in a much higher risk category for those issues than me anyways...
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