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post #40891 of 57265
That picture sucks. I see no difference between 15% and 20% other than the dude got a tan and took a picture with light from the top.

But yea 15% probably not. I'd guess 17%-18%. I should probably cut some more then, maybe 175. If I'm still setting PRs then why not.
post #40892 of 57265
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I remember when I was studying my undergrad in exercise science we did a lab with checking body fat% using different methods. Calipers put me between 13-11%, the bio-electric scale used by the wrestling team said I was 10%. The bodpod (most accurate, next to hydrostatic weighing) put me at 17%. when it said I was 17% I couldn't believe it, I thought it was bullshit. Now I realize I was still skinny-fat but didn't want to admit it.
post #40893 of 57265
They aren't all the same guy.
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Originally Posted by Eason View Post

I remember when I was studying my undergrad in exercise science we did a lab with checking body fat% using different methods. Calipers put me between 13-11%, the bio-electric scale used by the wrestling team said I was 10%. The bodpod (most accurate) put me at 17%. when it said I was 17% I couldn't believe it, I thought it was bullshit. Now I realize I was still skinny-fat but didn't want to admit it.

haha, I guess it's better to go with how you look in the mirror than what the calipers say then? Wouldn't that be mostly genetic and where people store their fat though? Like right when I started cutting I lost all the fat on my legs, that was the first to go.
post #40895 of 57265
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I store my fat in my lower back and chest which is why caliper equations were never helpful.
post #40896 of 57265
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Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty View Post


in that case P/P/L or IASBPR will both give you good results. P/P/L will give you better aesthetics though because it's more customizable.

 

erbs:

I think you'd do yourself a disservice by reducing frequency when you're already used to full body and doing multiple big compound lifts in a session. I don't see any good reason with reducing frequency unless the weights are so heavy you can't recover until the next session and with your numbers thats not a concern.

 

I wouldn't say PPL would give you more aesthetics or cause bigger growth just because you hit the same muscles harder in one session. I believe its better to split that volume out over more sessions to hit the muscles more frequently with less work in a single workout. Studies like the Norwegian Frequency Project shows benefits of that approach.

 

I'd say you should continue with SS or Greyskull LP and add some more lifts to each day for your weaknesses or lagging bodyparts. ICF5x5 is just that and is basically a full body bodybuilding routine for putting on maximum mass while still getting aesthetic. I did it for two months and saw better results than other programs I've been on, incl IA SPBR.

post #40897 of 57265
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post


December I started cutting, was at 197-200lbs with 37.5" waist and the three coaches at my gym (CSCS) put me at 20-22%. 3 months later I'm 179-180 with a 35.5" waist and coaches guessed me at 16-17% and calipers put me at 14.5% last night which does seem too low.

 

I'm 5 inches taller than you with a 32" waist and when I posted a pic of myself about a month ago at 183-185 lbs people in here estimated me at ~20%, which I would say was probably accurate within about 3% (I've lost about 7 pounds since). I think you're probably underestimating.

post #40898 of 57265
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

I'd say you should continue with SS or Greyskull LP and add some more lifts to each day for your weaknesses or lagging bodyparts. ICF5x5 is just that and is basically a full body bodybuilding routine for putting on maximum mass while still getting aesthetic. I did it for two months and saw better results than other programs I've been on, incl IA SPBR.

Greyskull LP worked well for me. I think GN recommended it. I did 7 cycles and added 230 lbs to my total after a peak.
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Originally Posted by KingJulien View Post

I'm 5 inches taller than you with a 32" waist and when I posted a pic of myself about a month ago at 183-185 lbs people in here estimated me at ~20%, which I would say was probably accurate within about 3% (I've lost about 7 pounds since). I think you're probably underestimating.

Gotcha, yea probably.
post #40899 of 57265
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erbs:
I think you'd do yourself a disservice by reducing frequency when you're already used to full body and doing multiple big compound lifts in a session. I don't see any good reason with reducing frequency unless the weights are so heavy you can't recover until the next session and with your numbers thats not a concern.

I wouldn't say PPL would give you more aesthetics or cause bigger growth just because you hit the same muscles harder in one session. I believe its better to split that volume out over more sessions to hit the muscles more frequently with less work in a single workout. Studies like the Norwegian Frequency Project shows benefits of that approach.

I'd say you should continue with SS or Greyskull LP and add some more lifts to each day for your weaknesses or lagging bodyparts. ICF5x5 is just that and is basically a full body bodybuilding routine for putting on maximum mass while still getting aesthetic. I did it for two months and saw better results than other programs I've been on, incl IA SPBR.

Did you even read the dude's post? He wants to build upper body mass. SS and ICF are squat-every-day programs and will t-rex him out. He's got decent enough numbers to build upon. IASPBR or GSLP + upper body volume is fine if he gives a shit about his numbers, which I'm guessing he doesn't beyond his ability to acquire gains.

If your shoulders can handle it, I'd say move Presses to the Leg day in P/P/L. That way your'e hitting your upper body every workout..
post #40900 of 57265
sent knucks shirtless pics because he's mean enough to me to be straight forward (he's called me fatty for about a year now), but not mean enough to make me feel like shit (like some people here).

umknucks: hmm
yeah i think your calipers are correct bro
16%
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Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty View Post


Did you even read the dude's post? He wants to build upper body mass. SS and ICF are squat-every-day programs and will t-rex him out.

If your shoulders can handle it, I'd say add Presses to the Leg day in P/P/L. That way your'e hitting your upper body every workout.

 

Yes, I read it. 

As for SS, I said he could add lifts to his weaknesses which would be upper body. ICF 5x5 has more lifts for upper than lower body. I've grown proportionally on it. If you notice your arms are lagging on a full body routine, just add some arm work at the end of each workout and problem solved.

 

I think he should continue to squat 3x a week no matter if he wants to grow bigger legs or not. Simply don't increase the weights on squats as often and his legs won't grow as fast. I think its wise to still squat often so you can better your technique. If you simply don't want to squat 3x a week, you could drop to 2x, but I wouldn't personally go further than that. My squats look way better at least when I do them more often.

 

Also, its not like you can't get aesthetic of full body programs. You're aware that basically all bodybuilders from the 50-60s did full body when there wasn't as much drugs around? Those guys looked pretty good to me:

 

 

There's no need to change program all together. Reduce the squatting a bit if you want and increase your workload for lagging parts with more volume for upper body. Simple as that.

post #40902 of 57265
Well that was fun while it lasted. I don't know what happened but I have been ravenously hungry in the mornings and my workouts have been shit all week. No more IF frown.gif
post #40903 of 57265
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Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty View Post

Did you even read the dude's post? He wants to build upper body mass. SS and ICF are squat-every-day programs and will t-rex him out. He's got decent enough numbers to build upon. IASPBR or GSLP + upper body volume is fine if he gives a shit about his numbers, which I'm guessing he doesn't beyond his ability to acquire gains.

If your shoulders can handle it, I'd say move Presses to the Leg day in P/P/L. That way your'e hitting your upper body every workout..

Right. Numbers are nice, but they're not my primary concern. I'm more interested in evening out my proportions. My legs are already at ~26" -- I don't want to get much bigger than than until I have the upper body to match.
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Most people will never look decent no matter what program they run shog[1].gif
post #40905 of 57265
Why Eason? frown.gif
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