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Haven't lost weight in 2 months. I'm such a little bitch frown.gif
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Accidentally fasted the entire day yesterday. That was bizarre
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Fasting def helps my energy. Food slows me down
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Originally Posted by ihambrecht View Post

Accidentally fasted the entire day yesterday. That was bizarre

 

Had days where this happened, confuses the hell out of me when it does

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Looking to squat 6 plates for 5 reps next week. nod[1].gif
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Originally Posted by conceptionist View Post

No worries TK. I know I've been fucking around for too long.
On a solid plan now and am at my heaviest ever with a lot of leeway left for continue bulking. As soon as I don't know how to continue get gains I'm gonna get a coach so I don't waste my time any further.

Not to sound like a dick but yeah, as 6'3 you're kind of at an disadvantage for looking big. I mean, Fuji's very strong for his size and he's still not what I would consider "big" (no offense and you have a great physique, but thats another thing). I could bulk way up to 225-240 which would be a decent weight for my height, but I don't see the point in it right now. I'm gonna take my time with it.


Also, it seems like there's some misunderstanding about how I give out advice. I just wan't to clarify this so we can stop discussing it.

I break existing theories and methods down in an easier way. I never make stuff up on my own. I don't have enough experience for that and I am fully aware of it. I merely pass on established methods used by highly held coaches like Berkhan, Renaissance Periodization and one of the top powerlifting coaches in the world. I surely can't know all of their details, but I've studied them enough to grasp the basics of it.

The fact that you're swole does not automatically mean that you know what you're doing and that you are on a good plan tailored to you. In the same way, a smaller dude could very well be on a perfect training program, knowing exactly what he's doing, but have other factors hindering his progress. There's simply more to it than "big and strong = knowledgable". Its kind of like asking the biggest dude in the gym for advice, which is totally fine, but could lead to gym-myths / bad broscience and the like.

I think a mix of some science and getting advice from experienced people IRL is the best and would be happy if I could help someone out with the former.
I would trust the advice of someone who is big and strong to get big and strong over some guy basically theorizing based on programs he read worked somewhere. The top powerlifters in the world are all juicing big time so why would you think similar training protocols would work for natural lifters? I remember being a couple of years into training and thinking i had all of the answers and could give great training advice to other people based on what i had read. its wasn't until years later and realistically maybe 50 pounds of muscle heavier that i realize i know very little and most of what i did learn was from trial and error and personal experience.

Two other things, I really don't get the whole Berkhan lean gains thing. the dude looks like a skinny soccer player and with a shirt on you cant even tell he lifts. I also want to remind you that renaissance periodization and lean gains are essentially products. Everybody and their uncle says they have the secret best method and its all bullshit.
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Originally Posted by TeeKay View Post

The weird thing is that Mark gets his advice from Conceptionist despite having a better physique than him.

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No hate on conceptionist, of course.
I've been saying this for ten pages!!!

To conceptionist, I have been coming off pretty blunt and I don't mean any disrespect, i just happen to disagree with you giving advice about gaining muscle, losing fat or retaining muscle when losing fat since you basically went from a skinny kid with a little loose skin to a skinny kid with saran wrap skin. Your before and after pictures would look exactly the same if you had taken up beach volleyball or ballet or any moderate vigorous physical activity.
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Originally Posted by ihambrecht View Post

Two other things, I really don't get the whole Berkhan lean gains thing. the dude looks like a skinny soccer player and with a shirt on you cant even tell he lifts. I also want to remind you that renaissance periodization and lean gains are essentially products. Everybody and their uncle says they have the secret best method and its all bullshit.

1. Clearly the point of lean gains isn't to look absolutely massive with a shirt on, so that's a bullshit criticism.

2. Martin never even promoted Lean Gains as "the secret best method". Not only has he not done this, he has argued consistently against it and maintains that lean gains is a program that will only work if it can be fit into one's lifestyle. In fact the entire fucking reason he stopped blogging so much is because of the fact that others were turning lean gains into a "product" and he was frustrated with being associated with that sort of thinking.
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

1. Clearly the point of lean gains isn't to look absolutely massive with a shirt on, so that's a bullshit criticism.

2. Martin never even promoted Lean Gains as "the secret best method". Not only has he not done this, he has argued consistently against it and maintains that lean gains is a program that will only work if it can be fit into one's lifestyle. In fact the entire fucking reason he stopped blogging so much is because of the fact that others were turning lean gains into a "product" and he was frustrated with being associated with that sort of thinking.

1. I dont know about you but it seems like everybody in this thread is trying to get big. lean gains shouldn't be in the equation if thats the case.

2. Yes, he promotes his service. from his website: "Commentators often ask me if this or that is fine or how they should optimize things. I simply don't have time or energy for that any longer. Understand that a lot of factors need to be taken into consideration when determining calorie intake and macronutrient cycling; body weight, body fat, activity level, training routine, gender, insulin sensitivity and so forth. That's why I have clients - optimizing a diet plan requires time and reflection, and being a perfectionist by nature I simply can't "okay" something without having all the facts in front of me."

He can blog about whatever he wants but if he is making money off of his methods hes selling a product.
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leangains as mark is doing it (and how I did it) is just an easy way to restrict calories. Powering through till 1 PM and just stopping eating at 9 PM is easier for a lot of people than eating small unsatisfying meals im; it doesn't claim to be some magic bullet and very few LG adherents will try and argue otherwise. The recomp protocol is more fancy schmancy I guess, but a LG cut is just calorie restriction + revere pyramid training+BCAA's if you're training fasted.

Back up to 170 this morning, which was my weight before my last cut. frown.gif. I still look good (~13-15% bf but good ab genetics) and can't lift anyway to do a proper cut so w/e.

Running is getting easier and easier. PT corrected my running form and gave me some stretches so now i feel unstoppibru. Busted out 4.6 miles on the treadmill at an 11:00 pace (slow in the grand scheme of things, but a personal best for me so w/evs).
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Originally Posted by GraphicNovelty View Post

leangains as mark is doing it (and how I did it) is just an easy way to restrict calories. Powering through till 1 PM and just stopping eating at 9 PM is easier for a lot of people than eating small unsatisfying meals im; it doesn't claim to be some magic bullet and very few LG adherents will try and argue otherwise. The recomp protocol is more fancy schmancy I guess, but a LG cut is just calorie restriction + revere pyramid training+BCAA's if you're training fasted.

Back up to 170 this morning, which was my weight before my last cut. frown.gif. I still look good (~13-15% bf but good ab genetics) and can't lift anyway to do a proper cut so w/e.

Running is getting easier and easier. PT corrected my running form and gave me some stretches so now i feel unstoppibru. Busted out 4.6 miles on the treadmill at an 11:00 pace (slow in the grand scheme of things, but a personal best for me so w/evs).

I understand leangains I think its backwards. Stopping catabolism should be a priority over losing raw poundage. Who cares if you lost 25 pounds. I'd rather maintain my weight, strength and well being and lose inches off my waist. Looking at the scale for cutting fucks your head up. Your measurement tool isn't suited for your goal.
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Originally Posted by MarkI View Post

I don't understand why some of you guys are such babies about cutting? It's really not that hard and/or difficult. Plus the ends certainly justify the means.

 

  • It does kind of suck for the first couple days
  • For me, it's frustrating going to the gym knowing I'm not getting any stronger, just maintaining.  Thankfully I have yoga too which I can make flexibility gains on even while cutting so I don't feel like I'm just treading water for months.

 

I'm really hoping that the last two times I weighed myself at the gym I just had a huge shit brewing, since I appear to have lost zero weight in the last month according to their scale.  My pants seem to have a little more space in the waist and thighs though so I dunno.  I need to buy a scale.

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It's what Adam said, I'm taking peices of leangains and tuning them to make this cut as easy as possible.

On a lift day I'm still eating close to 3,000 calories, and I have not lost an ounce of strength yet, I've actually gotten stronger in some areas.

Average lift day for me is, wake up at 7, get to work by 9. Be busy until 3 and not even think about food, I do drink coffee and tea/water during this period.

At 3, which is around 3 hours before I lift I have a meal which totals close to 1000 cals.

Lift at 6, while lifting have a intraworkout shake of BCAA/Dextrose/Creatine(no real benefits to taking creatine then other than my own personal broscience and it's an easy way to get it over with).

After I lift I come home and eat my last meal of the day which is huge and carb/protein dense, usually done by 11, and I'm I'm bed by 11 45, 12.

Like I said, it's not strict leangains, it's just taking certain principles of it because they work well with my schedule. Majority of my "fast" actually occurs while I'm sleeping,

I don't really understand what other avenues I could take with cutting that would be better than this method? I would still be eating the same macros, still lifting heavy, still not really having to do any cardio, what would change, number of meals and the time when I eat them?

For what it's worth, I was bulking on 3,300-3,500 cals a day and I blew up, my maintenance is definitely in the 3,000 range , and I've only been going 200 calories below that.

I really don't think I'm in any danger of screwing up my metabolism, and I don't plan on having to drop anywhere below 2300-2500 to acheive my goal of 10%
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Originally Posted by ihambrecht View Post

Stopping catabolism should be a priority over losing raw poundage.
Some people can do both at the same time. Similarly some people can't make appreciable gains on a ~250 calorie surplus. Different strokes for different folks, its not that serious.

I like IF... people say its not optimal, but I perform better in the gym fasted. I've tried a lot of shit and this is what works for me, regardless of what the scientists say.
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