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Originally Posted by Van Veen View Post

Is there any actual evidence of this?

Yes, athletes get hooked up to EMG machines all the time.

or try to do a unilateral deadlift and see what happens
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post


Yes, athletes get hooked up to EMG machines all the time.

or try to do a unilateral deadlift and see what happens

 

In my case my SI joint on the bad side actually rotates the wrong way through part of the motion when bending over or squatting to compensate.

 

A pretty easy test is to stand on one leg for about 30 seconds.  If your pelvis starts to tilt away from the horizontal towards the end it's probably an issue.

post #35538 of 57262
Whole lotta shitty science in this thread
post #35539 of 57262
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Originally Posted by KingJulien View Post

The "moar squats" chorus that comes out on training forums is sort of disingenuous.  If I do a lateral leg raise you can push my leg back down with barely any pressure, the muscle is very weak.  I haven't dropped squats, I'm doing squats in addition to supplemental work, so I don't really see the problem.  Especially since this was diagnosed by a lower back specialist and then confirmed by the PT...

think this is true for pretty much everyone. it's a mechanically disadvantaged movement. If you want to strengthen that, I'd do lateral raises.

But I'm not just shouting "moar squats", i'm saying specifically front squats - which specifically strengthen the outer quads and glutes as well as forcing you to stay more upright which will help with your form on back squats. I think this will fix your problems far more effectively than bosu ball lunges. Lunges on a flat surface are also good.
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

That's not true at all. People develop their own mechanics and form, muscle groups can go on mini vacations and forget how to fire correctly.

yeah they do. People develop their own mechanics due to muscle weakness. The best way to combat this is to fight to maintain better form as well as add other exercises to strengthen the weak muscles in question.

Bosu ball lunges are not the most effective way to to this in my opinion. You need enough weight that it's actually going to strengthen the muscle. Balancing on a ball helps your balance, not your strength.
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Yea, i'd rather do front squats and unilateral work or movement based activation work too. As opposed to bosu ball stuff and yoga poses.
post #35541 of 57262
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

Yea, i'd rather do front squats and unilateral work or movement based activation work too. As opposed to bosu ball stuff and yoga poses.

Why not get the best of both worlds?

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post #35543 of 57262
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

Yea, i'd rather do front squats and unilateral work or movement based activation work too. As opposed to bosu ball stuff and yoga poses.

This is pretty much what I do.

I've had massive form problems with my back squat. I would sway from side to side, sorta coming up unevenly with the legs (one of my legs is a bit longer/uneven hip, and the left hip has worse external rotation). I would also come in and out of back hyperextension and lumbar flexion.

Front squats, split squats and lots of glute and hip mobility and activation drills have helped me. Also just getting stronger in the squat with tons of heavy ab work seems to have eliminated most of it.
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Speaking of front squats. How can I develop enough shoulder mobility to get my elbows really high?

I think my back and hips are ok, but I cant get elbows high enough, so I have to really heavily dorsiflex my wrists to keep the bar. I think the lack of shoulder mobility means the weight lf the bar pulls my torso forwards and im not as upright as i should be
post #35545 of 57262
that will always happen in a FS. you can utilize a static barbell set up in a rack along a second barbell to stretch out the position.

if you topple over it's almost always either wrong bar position, lack of torso rigidity, bad technique and/or positions or some combination of these.
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also most fucking hardcore thing I've seen during my time with the sport

http://i.minus.com/igDVKLTxgBpul.gif
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So it doesn't matter so much where the elbows are as long as I dont drop the bar and stay reasonably upright?

I have been watching youtube vids, and a lot pf the form of the gurus seems pretty shitty to me. Scott Herman video is particularly bad with his elbows between his knees.
Even dan green buckles forward and drops his elbows very low

Is there any reason to use a clean grip if im not training for olympic lifts?
post #35548 of 57262
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Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

So it doesn't matter so much where the elbows are as long as I dont drop the bar and stay reasonably upright?

incorrect
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Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Scott Herman video is particularly bad with his elbows between his knees.

lol. maybe you'd want to look up some of the more youtube friendly knowledgeable folk, i think pendlay and everett (catalyst athletics) have some videos up on how to FS.

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Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Is there any reason to use a clean grip if im not training for olympic lifts?

I'd say it's a bit more stable and helps in keeping your posture and torso upright, but if it's impossible no. like I told charly:
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post

just a couple of fingers under the bar will suffice, you don't really need to have your entire hand up in there. cant do that? try thumbs under the bar so your hands are basically straddling your face when you push the elbows up. cant do that? fix straps to the bar at about shoulder width, put the bar in the groove on your shoulders and grab onto the straps.

not to go all coldsnap on your ass but having the elbows up and the shoulders externally rotated is very important in maintaining that torso rigidity that i mentioned earlier.
post #35549 of 57262
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post

lol. maybe you'd want to look up some of the more youtube friendly knowledgeable folk, i think pendlay and everett (catalyst athletics) have some videos up on how to FS.

This one? http://catalystathletics.com/exercises/exercise.php?exerciseID=78
post #35550 of 57262
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

Bosu ball lunges are not the most effective way to to this in my opinion. You need enough weight that it's actually going to strengthen the muscle. Balancing on a ball helps your balance, not your strength.

We're going in circles here. Balance is largely a function of stabilizer muscle strength, which is exactly what I'm trying to work on. I'm also doing lateral leg raises, band walks, and various types of leg raises, as well as trying to keep my knees out and over my feet when squatting.
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