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post #33631 of 57260
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

it takes a ton of food and lifting over a long period of time to "get bulky." squats, deads, overhead pulling (pulldowns, pullups, etc) will give you a strong back and will carry over to your free pretty nicely. i would lift 1-2x a week with some simple low-volume stuff and see where it takes you.

thanks. i'll give this a shot.
post #33632 of 57260
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post

I will kill any human who comes between me and my creatine.

srsly. I'm surprised creatine is legal, it's so damn effective. inlove.gif
post #33633 of 57260
What kind of creatine or creatine delivery are you guys using? I've never felt like it has given me significant strength gains, but it has been a few years since I've used it and my training is much more strength focused now.
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what do you guys creatine for
post #33635 of 57260
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Originally Posted by jarude View Post

what do you guys creatine for

Recovery
post #33636 of 57260
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Originally Posted by js4design View Post

What kind of creatine or creatine delivery are you guys using? I've never felt like it has given me significant strength gains, but it has been a few years since I've used it and my training is much more strength focused now.

Any kind of creatine monohydrate. Powdered form, put in my coffee as it only dissolves in hot liquids. 5g/day, I never preload when starting, never "cycle off" it; 5g daily, every day, forever.

I don't know if it helps with strength gains but it provides me a vast improvement on recovery time.
post #33637 of 57260
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

lol it's just full of fake gems

This does happen to be fair. I remember watching my mate inject his quad once and he kept hitting veins, there was a fair bit of blood coming out.
post #33638 of 57260
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Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

Any kind of creatine monohydrate. Powdered form, put in my coffee as it only dissolves in hot liquids. 5g/day, I never preload when starting, never "cycle off" it; 5g daily, every day, forever.

I don't know if it helps with strength gains but it provides me a vast improvement on recovery time.

Bad advice bro.

http://examine.com/supplements/Creatine/#summary16-1
http://examine.com/faq/does-caffeine-counteract-creatine.html

Basically, you can have both but don't take them together.
post #33639 of 57260
Haven't done heavy power cleans in a while until yesterday, worked up to a fairly easy 130kg. Pulls felt so strong, if only I could get my front squat up, I feel like I'd be within spitting distance of 150kg C&J.
post #33640 of 57260
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Originally Posted by VLSI View Post

Bad advice bro.

http://examine.com/supplements/Creatine/#summary16-1
http://examine.com/faq/does-caffeine-counteract-creatine.html

Basically, you can have both but don't take them together.

These are based on a single study from 1996. The study was updated in 2005, unfortunately I can't find it. Here's info on it:

http://irep.ntu.ac.uk/R/?func=dbin-jump-full&object_id=192895&local_base=GEN01

Here's a synopsis someone posted on bb.com:
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Modification Of The Ergogenic Effects Of Creatine Loading By Caffeine: 1835 2:30 PM -2:45 PM
[F-15: Free Communication/Slide – Supplements and Athletes: FRIDAY, JUNE 3, 2005 2:00 PM - 3:30 PM ROOM: Jackson E]

Harris, Roger C.; Sale, Craig; Delves, Simon K.
Univ. College Chichester, Chichester, United Kingdom
(Sponsor: William J. Kraemer FACSM, FACSM)

Vandenberghe et al (1996) J Appl Physiol, 80: 452–457 reported that caffeine (Caf) blocks the ergogenic effect of creatine (Cr). In their study Caf was withdrawn >12 h prior to testing, meaning that Caf withdrawal and not Caf itself may have resulted in the reduced effectiveness of Cr.
PURPOSE

To determine the effect of Caf ingestion and withdrawal on the ergogenic effect of Cr supplementation.
METHODS

Ten healthy subjects participated in this double-blind cross-over design, incorporating two 9d supplementation periods separated by 6w. Pre-treatment testing (T1) was followed by 3d Cr-loading comprising 8 ? (0.5 g Cr.H2O kg-1 body weight).d-1. On day 5, the dose was reduced to 4 ? (0.5 g.kg-1 bw).d-1. From day 5 a single dose of 5mg.kg-1.bw of either Caf or placebo (P) was administered with the 2nd dose of Cr. On day 6, subjects were re-tested 2h after taking Caf or P (T2). Subjects continued supplementation until day 9 and were then tested 24h later (T3). Tests comprised maximal voluntary isokinetic knee contractions (MVC's) from 90? leg flexion to full leg extension performed as 3 series (S1, S2 and S3), each separated by 2 min rest. S1 comprised 3 ? 30, S2 4 ? 20 and S3 5 ? 10-repetitions of MVC's with 60s, 40s and 20s rest periods, respectively, between sets. Values are means (SE).
RESULTS

One subject withdrew from the study because of acute GI distress. Four other subjects reported GI distress when receiving 8 ? 5g Cr.H2O.d-1, which eased with P ingestion but not with Caf. Following Cr+P, mean peak torque (PT) differed between T1 and T2 by +8.94 (1.62)% in S1, +6.79 (2.09)% in S2 and +10.21 (5.68)% in S3 and between T1 and T3 by +9.77 (2.32)% in S1, +8.35 (1.5)% in S2 and + 11.68 (5.59)% in S3. Increases in PT from T1 were significant (P<0.05) in S1 and S2 at T2 and T3. These increases in PT were abolished (P>0.05) when Cr+Caf was administered, with PT differing from T1 in S1, S2 and S3 by -0.22 (1.85)%, -2.09 (2.73)% and +5.73 (8.64)% in T2 and by +0.70 (2.02)%, +3.75 (2.08)% and +14.60 (6.68)% in T3. Although PT was less affected by Caf at T3 (24h post) than at T2 (2h post) the difference was not significant. The difference in response to treatments was significant (P<0.05) for S1 in T2 only.
CONCLUSION

Whilst the results appear to support previous findings in that acute Caf administration may negate the effect of Cr, we consider that GI disturbance with Caf administration may have influenced the outcome of the study.

Here's an updated study from 2002 that claims the same thing:
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Conclusion The researchers believe that the findings from this experiment offer indirect evidence that suggests that facilitation of muscle relaxation may be important to the ergogenic action of creatine supplementation as well as power production during sprint exercises.

However, for the athlete in training, the key finding is that sustained caffeine intake, over a three-day period, negates the benefits of creatine supplements.

http://www.scienceblog.com/community/older/2002/A/2002833.html

You're probably right, but at the same time I don't care, because I'm taking it for recovery and not increased strength.

I'll probably switch to decaf without telling you, just so I don't have to concede defeat, though.
post #33641 of 57260
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

How da fuck do you guys keep your headphones from popping out at the gym? I'm always tripping over the cord and shit. Also my fuckin belt popped off at the bottom of my squat on my first rep of 12. Got so pissed.
It is really awesome how welcoming the powerlifting community is.

Take the wire, thread it down your shirt so it's not exposed, connect at the bottom, stick music device in pocket; you're gold ponyboy.
post #33642 of 57260
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Originally Posted by Coldsnap View Post

How da fuck do you guys keep your headphones from popping out at the gym? I'm always tripping over the cord and shit. Also my fuckin belt popped off at the bottom of my squat on my first rep of 12. Got so pissed.
Pass the cable under your shirt
post #33643 of 57260
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Originally Posted by js4design View Post

What kind of creatine or creatine delivery are you guys using? I've never felt like it has given me significant strength gains, but it has been a few years since I've used it and my training is much more strength focused now.

Usually deliver rectally but if I'm going for a PR will occasionally do IV.
post #33644 of 57260
I feel like I'm going to throw up on ever deadlift rep now. Feels like it goes up into my chest every rep.. I tried pushing my pre workout meal back two hours and it still didn't help...
post #33645 of 57260
Now what? I don't like eating a bunch before working out, just enough that my stomach isn't empty
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