Originally Posted by Coldsnap
Why don't you just train as an olympic lifter? I think that overhead squat, snatch, clean and jerk really are no indication of over all strength and flexibility. They are all very specific movements that don't have much carry over into general physical preparedness. Haha I just realized that there's some coaches that would destroy me about this but that's just my experience.
It's a good question. The answer is that I'm training for strength and size. I'm trying to bulk up for rugby next season.
Why the fuck am I doing olympic lifts if I'm training for strength and size?
1. I find them to be the best motivator. I used to hate squatting, but now I think "if I front squat x amount it should help me be able to clean y amount". Ditto snatch, although that's being held up by technique issues.
2. "They are all very specific movements that don't have much carry over into general physical preparedness"
I don't have enough personal experience with the olympic lifts to be able to rebut this, but I have heard a lot of anecdotal evidence of olympic style lifts and training methods having great capabilities in terms of mass gains. Possible reasoning includes:
i) the relative lack of eccentric motion being very good at limiting muscle soreness and thereby allowing greater training and recovery than highly eccentric movements
ii) the fact that the lifts are performed close to maximum weight. This is not yet the case for me on snatch, but it is in the C&J - my max is not far from my max front squat.
iii) all the "explosiveness" arguments - I don't really see the mechanism for this so I disagree with this part of the argument, but people have made it.
Again, I can't confirm the validity of any of those points, but the fact that the lifts motivate me more than anything else is the most important thing.
My program is based off Pendlay's Supertotal program.
behind the neck military press
Snatch/overhead squat/snatch high pull complexes
clean pull/hang clean complexes
military press/push press
lightweigh olympic complexes and technique work
heavy snatch and clean.