Originally Posted by mrchariybrown
Why not? Steroid use is illegal
. So how is that not a fair comparison? Oh, you mean just fess up to doing that one illegal thing? Just that one.
I meant it in the sense that people don't have to admit literally every single illegal thing they've done. Fraudulently misrepresenting themselves as "clean" lifters in an organized, regulated, competitive sport with stringent anti-doping rules? Yes, "just that one." People don't have to go shouting from the rooftops about how they cheated on their taxes, sped down the freeway or punched some asshole at the bar. Passing themselves off as drug-free when they are not drug-free is a big fucking deal when we're talking about competitive sports, world records, financial endorsements, etc. There's a pretty good reason Armstrong's sponsors are asking for their sponsorship money back - because he's a fucking cheat. If some gymrat wants to juice to alpha on the kids in his weightroom, fine. If some guy wants to participate as a "drug free" lifter in a regulated environment where being drug free is a requirement to participate, he should be drug free. If he doesn't want to admit that, then he's a fucking pussy ass bitch. If they don't want to lose their endorsements, they shouldn't have juiced in the first place.
Above, you say it's not a fair comparison to make.. but then you make the comparison anyways haha. I'm not saying it's the fed's fault for PED use. I said people will keep using because most testing sucks dick.
Just because testing is bad and they can get away with it doesn't make it any more or less acceptable. Outside of the little misunderstanding on the example, who cares if its not the banks fault? Is it still OK to rob a bank because they didn't do enough to prevent it? No, because robbing a bank makes you a shitstain; just like passing yourself off as "drug free" when you are certainly not "drug free" in order to a)win a competition or b) keep financial sponsorships is fraud.
All this is moot because in the end, I'm saying PEDs should be a part of sports at the professional level. It allows athletes to perform at their peak. (And any levels lower than that if you want.) I don't consider it cheating and I think it should be legal.
Too bad virtually every sporting body in the world disagrees with you. Unfortunately, you're not allowed to apply your own standard of ethics to an established organization or federation that explicitly states being drug-free is a requirement for participation. I certainly appreciate the point of view and absolutely agree that for absolute max athletic potential, PEDs can/should be used. The issue is when they're used in an environment that forbids their use. If people want to start up a fed or organization where everyone can juice like fuck, then go for it. Everyone gets the same cycle, dose, PCT, whatever. They can also have their world records marked with an asterisk to indicate that PEDs were in use.
If you want to consider that cheating, why not any other drugs? Allergy meds? Anti-inflammatories? If my knee starts aching I can't nearly squat as much if I don't pop 4 advils before squat. Does that make me a "cheater"?
I consider it cheating because juicing in an organization that forbids juicing is the literal definition of cheating. If your fed doesn't ban advil, then no, you're not a cheater. If your fed did ban advil, then yes, you are.
Outside of the very obvious rule-breaking nature of cheating, the whole slippery slope of substances is a silly way to justify things. By that reasoning, we should legalize crack, ecstasy, and heroin because hell, alcohol is legal. All are drugs and all provide a high/low, so why the hell not? Different drugs have different effects; not all effects are equal. It's ridiculous to think that popping some advil for your knee is even in the same league as something that increases strength and LBM gains by allowing for increased training frequency and intensity. This is a giant stretch and is a poor way of justifying PED use.
I will certainly admit that there is a giant gray area in terms of what a PED is and how its difficult to decide what to enforce and how. That does not diminish the fact that there is a very large fucking difference between advil, caffeine, and juicing and its foolish to say there isn't.
This next part isn't to support the last part of my argument but..
Boohoo.. Ed and Kirk are cheaters. Wahhhhhhhhh~
I get that powerlifting is full of chest-thumping fuck-your-shit-you-pussy-ass-bitch levels of bravado - especially when talking about a guy like Captain Kirk - but really? I find it curious that someone who was so offended over the idea of a training partner going back on his word and not training with you on a certain day would be completely fine with someone fraudulently misrepresenting themselves a drug-free lifter while competing in a drug-free environment. I don't know enough about the scene or any of the particular lifters involved if this was the case... it just seems like a strange dichotomy.