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post #31726 of 46921
Weightlifters:

Do you guys find that when you do high pull followed immediately by hang clean, your clean is significantly weaker than just single hang cleans?

I did them yesterday, and felt like my hip drive was greatly reduced evidence by the fact that my receiving position was quite a bit lower than it normally is at the same weight. Is that normal? I didn't think my hip thrust would fatigue that easily.

I suppose it's good to get used to a lower receiving position for when I go for maximum weight.

Maybe my hips just need to get better endurance as well.
post #31727 of 46921
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Originally Posted by joshuadowen View Post

Fair enough. So even with positive lifestyle, changes T levels are dropping?

I don't know that they're dropping, but definitely not going up. There's going to be variations so maybe my first test was on a good day and this was on a bad day. Bottom line, trying to improve lifestyle factors did not positively affect my t level.
post #31728 of 46921
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Originally Posted by db_ggmm View Post

More and more, I am thinking that people who are consistent with gym attendance and follow a semi legitimate program that encourages progression, yet fail to see strength improvements, would at the very least be on the low end of the range for test. I think people can mask this issue by gaining body fat, which improves leverages / function and forces the body to add their comparatively minor amount of muscle. It seems a real quandary, as moderate low test still allows for sexual function and intermediate levels of fitness with significant work, so is TRT/HRT really indicated? Is that the best use of limited resources? Would you really start HRT and be stuck on that shit for life just so your total would go up by 20% and you'd be a couple percent leaner? Is that worth it?

Wait a second, explain yourself, how is gaining fat advantageous for strength gains?
post #31729 of 46921
he did explain himself. Increased leverage.

TBH though "increased fat and a minor amount of muscle" sounds pretty standard and is why people go through bulking phases and worry about the fat later on.
post #31730 of 46921
I get the bulking thing, i'm doing the same right now. I just don't get the leverage part.
post #31731 of 46921
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Originally Posted by MarkI View Post

I get the bulking thing, i'm doing the same right now. I just don't get the leverage part.

The bigger you are, the more you can shift.
post #31732 of 46921
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post #31733 of 46921
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Originally Posted by MarkI View Post

I get the bulking thing, i'm doing the same right now. I just don't get the leverage part.

I am terrible at physics, but I believe it's because for things like squats and deadlifts, when you wear a belt it forms a more rigid core from which force can be transferred.

But overall I largely agree with you - fatter people in general aren't "stronger because of the leverage", they're stronger because they've also increased their muscle mass.
post #31734 of 46921
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

Do you guys find that when you do high pull followed immediately by hang clean, your clean is significantly weaker than just single hang cleans?

no

dont know why you'd want to do a chp anyways, regular ones will do much better
post #31735 of 46921
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

I am terrible at physics, but I believe it's because for things like squats and deadlifts, when you wear a belt it forms a more rigid core from which force can be transferred.

this is not explaining the fat/leverage thing, so just ignore.
post #31736 of 46921
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post

no

dont know why you'd want to do a chp anyways, regular ones will do much better

Oh sorry, just a clean pull, not high pull.
post #31737 of 46921
a pull complex is great tool for getting the tempo and timing right, especially if you have trouble with receiving too high or if the bar crashes down on you. some guys have better pull mechanics when they do a sn or cl pull than their classic lifts so something like a cl/sn pull + hc/hs/sn/cl would be an optimal complex to work on that.
post #31738 of 46921
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Originally Posted by Lagrangian View Post

a pull complex is great tool for getting the tempo and timing right, especially if you have trouble with receiving too high or if the bar crashes down on you. some guys have better pull mechanics when they do a sn or cl pull than their classic lifts so something like a cl/sn pull + hc/hs/sn/cl would be an optimal complex to work on that.

Yeah, I think basically I was just lifting better.

I figured out I was actually doing "panda pulls", which I think might have corrected my tendency to over-pull. I was receiving much lower than normal and the bar wasn't crashing down on me nearly as much. So a good thing, not a bad thing.

I used to think that the clean involved quite a lot of trap use but now I see that the traps are pretty much only used to pull the body under the bar rather than actually pulling any weight up.
post #31739 of 46921
OTOH I think I'll alternate between panda pulls and regular pulls to make sure I don't transition into under-pulling.

I'm not sure if that makes sense.
post #31740 of 46921
I fucking hate that term with a passion

I'd say pick one and stick with it depending on what you need to fix but you're not going to do that anyways lol
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